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Snowdrop89 · 02/07/2023 18:15

A friend recently lost her best friend in a horrific accident. She sent me some photos of her with her friend and also a poem she had written for her. I decided to put one of the photos & the poem in a frame & sent to her as a keepsake. She reacted in a way I didn’t expect & I’m now questioning if I did something wrong… she said “I have got home to receive your gift. I want to thank you for the kind intent but ask you not to send me any further gifts.” How would you interpret this? I’m at a loss 😞 Was only trying to do something nice… have I caused offence?

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MysteryBelle · 02/07/2023 20:45

All of you, who I actually agree with in saying op was weird in framing poem and giving it back, but then saying do not go talk to her about it. This may be a difference culturally as I’m from the USA so less reserved and more inclined to talk things through and resolve conflict. If someone offended me, a close relative or friend, then I would welcome that person explaining to me their intent and I could explain how I felt and then we could reconcile. And therefore in a time of grief, there wouldn’t be the added burden of having bad feelings toward someone. It’s not about going round and ‘discussing my gift’ as much as reconciling with a grieving loved one so that the incident is not another thing to bother them. And she could use your shoulder to cry on and now she can’t because of this bad feeling between you.

I’ve had this somewhat similar thing happen to me, it was very offensive actually, and the person didn’t bother to talk to me about it and it’s changed our relationship for the worse.
So that is my thinking on clearing up this misunderstanding, because it means you can continue to be there for her while she is grieving and this weird thing that happened wouldn’t be another thing bothering her.

Screamingabdabz · 02/07/2023 20:42

Rhondaa · 02/07/2023 20:06

'You’ve taken her raw grief and turned it into a trinket. And a trinket that contains words that you’ve stolen ownership of, and bestowed her own property back to her in the form of some strange largesse that she is supposed to be grateful for.'

Oh nonsense. Her raw grief was sharing pictures and a poem, it was absolutely a lovely gesture that the op took the time to print and frame said pics and poem.

We've all lost people and one thing that is always needed is kind gestures and this was just that.

I hope you've stopped reading op, but if haven't please do not beat yourself up about this. Sorry about your dh leaving Flowers.

You don’t ‘print and frame’ someone else’s grief.

It’s not a ‘lovely gesture’. It’s actually horrid.

Snowdrop89 · 02/07/2023 20:41

@JudgeAnderson i don’t mean this to sound insensitive to anyone who has lost a husband to death, but I feel at the moment that might hurt me less than knowing he is intentionally throwing me & our girls away out of his own choice. But anyway, thank you for your support & acknowledging the pain. I genuinely came on here to hear all views and opinions & am grateful for them all. X

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Sugarspiceallthingsnice2 · 02/07/2023 20:39

veryfluffyfluff · 02/07/2023 20:32

Next time just make a cake or send some ready meals. Something practical

See, if my friend died, I wouldn't want meals etc because it's the practical daily tasks that keep me going in the midst of grief. If it was a relative and I had all the admin to deal with on top of the grief, meals might be useful.

Avondale89 · 02/07/2023 20:38

The comparisons on here between a family breakdown and a best friend dying are horrible and ghoulish. I don’t understand the point of it. This isn’t the grief Olympics.

As others have said, you were well intentioned but clearly your friend wasn’t in a mental place to be able to accept the gift. Your friend dealt with it in a mature and polite way. I’m sure you’ll both come out the other side of both of your current situations stronger and still friends.

JudgeAnderson · 02/07/2023 20:37

@Snowdrop89 I'm so sorry, you must be devastated and of course you're grieving as well. A husband is the person you share your life with and losing them even to relationship breakdown just throws a grenade into your whole life and completely altered what you thought was a shared future. Sending you hugs x

Bellagio40 · 02/07/2023 20:37

veryfluffyfluff · 02/07/2023 18:35

See I'd find that too much OP. I'd be weirded out.

I agree with this. I would find it strange. She wanted to show you the picture and the poem she wrote because you are such a close friend. I really don’t understand why would you frame them and send them to her.

Snowdrop89 · 02/07/2023 20:34

@JudgeAnderson honestly losing my family is horrendous. If I could exchange that for losing a best friend I think I would. But I’m not downplaying my friend’s grief, it’s a massive massive thing that’s devastating hence why I wanted to do something I thought would be supportive. And I’ve deliberately not really talked much beyond the facts about my situation with her, in respect of her grief and lack of headspace.

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crazyaboutcats · 02/07/2023 20:34

OP you did not do anything wrong please do not overthink it and be kind to yourself. You are absolutely going through grief as well

PuddlesPityParty · 02/07/2023 20:33

OP I was told by a friend that when their grandma died, their mum much preferred more practical gifts as getting flowers, photos, etc. just made the grief reappear.

you had good intentions, I don’t think your friend will fall out with you they just need space and time to grieve. Sorry to hear about your husband and you 💖

Reallybadidea · 02/07/2023 20:33

happyfoot · 02/07/2023 20:28

I also think it’s weird that you are stubbornly refusing to see it from her perspective, and I think it’s weird that you don’t simply go to her house, or call her and say, I did not mean to offend you by framing your poem and sending it to you. I felt like I was honoring your beautiful poem. Apparently it struck you as offensive or weird. Please tell me what was wrong so I can understand and not do it again.

People have literally just scolded her for "making it about her", I wouldnt go round to a grieving persons house and ask why they didnt like my gift either, thats incredibly inappropriate. I would just apologise and then leave it to discuss at a more appropriate time.

Totally agree.

veryfluffyfluff · 02/07/2023 20:32

Snowdrop89 · 02/07/2023 20:31

@Sugarspiceallthingsnice2 that’s exactly why I did it. I didn’t want my check ins to sound like open ended offers of being there. I wanted to do something to show I care. It was as simple as that.

Next time just make a cake or send some ready meals. Something practical

giraffetrousers · 02/07/2023 20:31

veryfluffyfluff · 02/07/2023 20:30

Oh dear me no! Just leave her alone OP please don't go round there to discuss your gift!

Seriously- this is a bloody terrible idea.

Snowdrop89 · 02/07/2023 20:31

@Sugarspiceallthingsnice2 that’s exactly why I did it. I didn’t want my check ins to sound like open ended offers of being there. I wanted to do something to show I care. It was as simple as that.

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veryfluffyfluff · 02/07/2023 20:31

PuddlesPityParty · 02/07/2023 20:30

But if you send it to someone they are now also in possession of the photo and are free to do what they want with it. If you don’t want them to do anything with it, don’t send it or upload it. It’s not weird for a grandma to want pictures of their grandchild in their house, don’t be so ridiculous

Yes of course they can that's why I wouldn't do it. I print them for my relatives.

moonlitwalks · 02/07/2023 20:30

JudgeAnderson · 02/07/2023 20:28

And please don’t try and compare your ‘grieving’ your DH moving out to her grief at her friend’s death.

What an awful thing to say. I'd personally find my DH leaving me much harder than a friend dying.

So would I. I love my friends but DH is my life partner and my children's dad. That would affect me far more.

PuddlesPityParty · 02/07/2023 20:30

veryfluffyfluff · 02/07/2023 20:28

I'd find that odd too. I think it's because I have the photo in my possession and I've sent it to them how I've chosen. If I'd wanted it framed or turned into a momentous I would have arranged it.

But if you send it to someone they are now also in possession of the photo and are free to do what they want with it. If you don’t want them to do anything with it, don’t send it or upload it. It’s not weird for a grandma to want pictures of their grandchild in their house, don’t be so ridiculous

veryfluffyfluff · 02/07/2023 20:30

MysteryBelle · 02/07/2023 20:24

Like I said, I’m not saying I think you were trying to be mean or weird, just giving you a possible perspective of your friend who is obviously offended. She’s offended for a reason, whether the reason is right or not, I don’t know.

Why didn’t you tell us the context from the beginning? That is kind of a drip feed. You basically came on here and said you did all the things I said you should have done. I mean you went down my list and repeated them here. Well, we don’t really know that is true because you waited until you read my post to then claim you’d done it. Maybe you did, maybe you didn’t.

I think you may have had good intentions but what you did was weird. I also think it’s weird that you are stubbornly refusing to see it from her perspective, and I think it’s weird that you don’t simply go to her house, or call her and say, I did not mean to offend you by framing your poem and sending it to you. I felt like I was honoring your beautiful poem. Apparently it struck you as offensive or weird. Please tell me what was wrong so I can understand and not do it again.’

Instead, you text, sorry I offended you. Just very plain. No curiosity on your part to find out why she was offended or to make yourself clear to her. If you’re so close that she sent you that poem, then you should be able to talk it through and reconcile.

Oh dear me no! Just leave her alone OP please don't go round there to discuss your gift!

veryfluffyfluff · 02/07/2023 20:28

PuddlesPityParty · 02/07/2023 20:10

That’s not comparable to the OPs situation at all, and acc your MIL isn’t doing anything wrong you’re being the weird one.

I'd find that odd too. I think it's because I have the photo in my possession and I've sent it to them how I've chosen. If I'd wanted it framed or turned into a momentous I would have arranged it.

happyfoot · 02/07/2023 20:28

I also think it’s weird that you are stubbornly refusing to see it from her perspective, and I think it’s weird that you don’t simply go to her house, or call her and say, I did not mean to offend you by framing your poem and sending it to you. I felt like I was honoring your beautiful poem. Apparently it struck you as offensive or weird. Please tell me what was wrong so I can understand and not do it again.

People have literally just scolded her for "making it about her", I wouldnt go round to a grieving persons house and ask why they didnt like my gift either, thats incredibly inappropriate. I would just apologise and then leave it to discuss at a more appropriate time.

JudgeAnderson · 02/07/2023 20:28

And please don’t try and compare your ‘grieving’ your DH moving out to her grief at her friend’s death.

What an awful thing to say. I'd personally find my DH leaving me much harder than a friend dying.

Sugarspiceallthingsnice2 · 02/07/2023 20:28

It was a very thoughtful gesture. As someone who has gone through a great deal of loss, I personally appreciate it when people make any kind of effort to show they really do care, rather than just empty words and open-ended offers of "I'm here if you need to talk, let me know what I can do etc". What you did took time, effort and thought. You're a good friend.

WetBandits · 02/07/2023 20:26

There’s no right or wrong answer. I would have been really touched by your gift but your friend wasn’t. You did a kind thing from a kind place, but grief does strange things to people and they might not always react in the way you’d hope Flowers

steff13 · 02/07/2023 20:26

It's hard to know how someone is going to react when they're grieving, and it's hard for you to even know how you will react when you're craving. Even if I had been upset by it I wouldn't have said anything that's just me. But she did acknowledge that you had good intentions with sending the gift. I would just maybe say, "I'm sorry I didn't mean to cause any offense" and leave it at that.

MysteryBelle · 02/07/2023 20:24

Snowdrop89 · 02/07/2023 20:10

@MysteryBelle Actually, she sent me the poem at like 1am one night clearly struggling with sleep. I happened to wake shortly after, read the text & replied saying how meaningful & lovely it was & how expressive of her friend’s character - & asked if her friend’s relatives might find it comforting to receive. So I did that immediate piece. I was just trying to do something I thought was nice. I wasn’t trying to be weird.

Like I said, I’m not saying I think you were trying to be mean or weird, just giving you a possible perspective of your friend who is obviously offended. She’s offended for a reason, whether the reason is right or not, I don’t know.

Why didn’t you tell us the context from the beginning? That is kind of a drip feed. You basically came on here and said you did all the things I said you should have done. I mean you went down my list and repeated them here. Well, we don’t really know that is true because you waited until you read my post to then claim you’d done it. Maybe you did, maybe you didn’t.

I think you may have had good intentions but what you did was weird. I also think it’s weird that you are stubbornly refusing to see it from her perspective, and I think it’s weird that you don’t simply go to her house, or call her and say, I did not mean to offend you by framing your poem and sending it to you. I felt like I was honoring your beautiful poem. Apparently it struck you as offensive or weird. Please tell me what was wrong so I can understand and not do it again.’

Instead, you text, sorry I offended you. Just very plain. No curiosity on your part to find out why she was offended or to make yourself clear to her. If you’re so close that she sent you that poem, then you should be able to talk it through and reconcile.