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ItsBarbieBitchhhh · 01/07/2023 21:48

Any other Twitter users about? Elon Musk has completely ruined that app. I genuinely don’t understand how he thought that was a good idea!

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Palmasailor · 02/07/2023 19:16

Talisin · 02/07/2023 18:58

‘That’s just a stupid comment.

I mean really stupid.

No one makes the kind of money either of those two have by being stupid.’

Right back at you with the ‘stupid comment’.

People who own half the real estate in Manhattan and fly their own personal satellites round the earth in orbit are stupid…

Seriously..

That Dunning Kruger curve didn’t plot itself.

TheFormidableMrsC · 02/07/2023 19:09

@Palmasailor Are you usually this rude to people? I simply said that Twitter was not working for me anymore, so I've left. Plenty of other platforms to use should I wish to. I'm not alone in this observation judging by the mass exodus currently taking place. Of course he can do what he wants with it. Doesn't mean I have to agree or stick around 🤷🏻‍♀️

lljkk · 02/07/2023 19:08

Musk bought Twitter with objective to "increase free speech". Does anyone else recall how that's how this started? And then he fired lots of staff, including moderators. I follow real people, journalists, scientists, military & logistics commentators (Ukraine), politicians or more likely their spouses, cute animal accounts, local gossip, economists, lawyers, philosophers (published, on main stream tv). Some of them just ran far & fast from Musk-Twitter. So that's partly why my own feed fell in quality.

Speaking of curation, Twitter was the most easily curated of all the SM platforms I was on. The one where I found it easiest to avoid toxicity and minimise my views of ignorant comments.

The last ## I loved on Twitter was about Lionesses in 2022. That was before Musk took over, wasn't it??

i do wonder how he will justify to himself losing all that money.

theGooHasGone · 02/07/2023 19:05

Tech companies are now being forced to prove that they can make money rather than just being given huge investments by VCs for long periods of time and running at a loss. See: Netflix, Reddit, Twitter. Every tech company has had massive layoffs in the past year. The bubble is starting to burst.

Forcing payments is also a good way to help remove bots from your platform, something Twitter has always struggled with. Advertisers withdrew from Twitter en masse when Musk bought it, so now they have to find other ways to make their money. They make a loss on the vast majority of users. Data is expensive to store and most of what gets posted on Twitter is utter rubbish. Remember Vine? Even though it was popular, they ultimately shut that down because it consumed tons of storage and there was no way to make money from it. Nothing can run at a loss forever.

If Twitter isn't worth £11/month to you, your option is to get rate limited or just not use it. You can bitch about it all you like, Elon doesn't care. The gravy train is pulling into the station.

PixieTom · 02/07/2023 19:01

So how can I read, like ,retweet , dm but not tweet ? It’s chaos on there.

Talisin · 02/07/2023 18:58

‘That’s just a stupid comment.

I mean really stupid.

No one makes the kind of money either of those two have by being stupid.’

Right back at you with the ‘stupid comment’.

JofraArchersFastestBall · 02/07/2023 18:41

I appreciate that twitter isn't a human right - if Musk wants to ruin it and drive it into the ground then it's his call. I reserve the right to be sad and pissed off about it though.

Twitter was how I followed live updates and comments on my favourite sports. Watching along with Twitter was interactive and social
and, over many years of using it, I have made genuine connections with lots of people who I will miss. Even if I decided to pay for the privilege, many people wouldn't and a community will be lost. I understand that the platform has to be made profitable in some way, but I do feel angry that it's been recklessly trashed. Ultimately Musk will lose his investment and millions of people will lose their online connections and access to live updates and news.

Palmasailor · 02/07/2023 18:33

Talisin · 02/07/2023 18:23

Donald Trump is a billionaire. Extreme wealth does not equate with being intelligent or even competent. Elon Musk had a good run with being regarded as a quirky tech genius - the last year with Twitter has very much proved he is not.

That’s just a stupid comment.

I mean really stupid.

No one makes the kind of money either of those two have by being stupid.

You might not like them but they’re not stupid.

People who struggle day to day with their bills think billionaires are stupid.

You couldn’t make it up.

Talisin · 02/07/2023 18:23

Palmasailor · 02/07/2023 17:21

It might look that way but it doesn’t gel
with being the richest man on the planet.

On balance bell turn it on its head and in 6-12 months everyone will be wondering what hit them.

Then he’ll re float it.

Just my $0.02

Donald Trump is a billionaire. Extreme wealth does not equate with being intelligent or even competent. Elon Musk had a good run with being regarded as a quirky tech genius - the last year with Twitter has very much proved he is not.

Palmasailor · 02/07/2023 17:21

TrustThePlan · 02/07/2023 15:48

Occam's razor means he's just incompetent.

It might look that way but it doesn’t gel
with being the richest man on the planet.

On balance bell turn it on its head and in 6-12 months everyone will be wondering what hit them.

Then he’ll re float it.

Just my $0.02

JudgeAnderson · 02/07/2023 17:15

I don't suppose his actual clients the advertisers are particularly thrilled at having their exposure massively reduced. We'll see.

I don't disagree that twitter was previously a heavily censored environment that had leanings in one direction only, btw. Although I've noticed recently there's been a creep back of accounts getting put in the sin bin for pointing out the biologically obvious again.

Palmasailor · 02/07/2023 17:12

JudgeAnderson · 02/07/2023 14:41

@Palmasailor you've entirely misunderstood. The users are not the clients, they are the product. Musk has just damaged the platform by blocking the product.
I suppose he bought it so he can break it if he wants, bizarre a decision as that might be.

I don’t think I’ve misunderstood at all.

I think he’s changing it.

Againstmachine · 02/07/2023 17:01

RachelNoire · 02/07/2023 16:52

Please stop saying that Twitter was available to everyone at every time. It wasn’t.

The zillions of staff at that bloated company censored many people by not giving them a platform and those who did have access were heavily moderated and it was not impartial.

It would’ve gone bankrupt. Do you know how much it costs to keep servers running? It’s not a public sector broadcasting service (thankfully).

Who knew there were so many technology company CEOs on mumsnet qualified to make the best business decisions with someone else’s money?

Spot on , many tech company's worth is overvalued

There are plenty of costs to running a tech empire that people don't understand.

And twitter was full of censorship prior to Elon so don't pretend it wasn't.

ILostMyself · 02/07/2023 16:58

Mine flashed up with an update which I accepted and my app is working again now. The timeline wouldn’t reload at all this morning (hadn’t seen a single new tweet today!). I’m also not getting the annoying rate limit message now but I’m not sure if that’s because I’ve only just started using it again this afternoon…

RachelNoire · 02/07/2023 16:52

Please stop saying that Twitter was available to everyone at every time. It wasn’t.

The zillions of staff at that bloated company censored many people by not giving them a platform and those who did have access were heavily moderated and it was not impartial.

It would’ve gone bankrupt. Do you know how much it costs to keep servers running? It’s not a public sector broadcasting service (thankfully).

Who knew there were so many technology company CEOs on mumsnet qualified to make the best business decisions with someone else’s money?

LimeCheesecake · 02/07/2023 16:39

No it’s not a human right - however the value and power of twitter is that it has been available to everyone instantly and it has played a part over the last decade or more in several important events, eg Arab spring. Conversations on twitter have helped shape political discourse and become a great way for normal people to express their views.

it has been socially useful. And it’s about to be destroyed, but alternatives aren’t quite there yet. I do hope the alternatives will get better quickly. We need something like this.

I do hope he just admits defeat and sells it on. (He’ll make a loss if he does that though - obviously because the man’s an idiot who overpaid then devalued the business further. But someone could make a good business out of this, so long as they understand what is the product and who are the customers- users are not the customers)

Againstmachine · 02/07/2023 16:00

TitoMojito · 02/07/2023 15:57

He can do what he likes, and people can complain about it. He runs the site and the users are entitled to voice their feedback.

Absolutely they can complain but ultimately it isn't some human right like people talk about.

TitoMojito · 02/07/2023 15:57

Againstmachine · 02/07/2023 14:39

People talk like Twitter is some sort of right. If Musk wants to do something you don't like move to a different platform or pay.

I really don't see the issue.

He can do what he likes, and people can complain about it. He runs the site and the users are entitled to voice their feedback.

MelonsOnSaleAgain · 02/07/2023 15:49

Depressing isn’t it @TrustThePlan. How someone like that can be a billionaire

TrustThePlan · 02/07/2023 15:48

MelonsOnSaleAgain · 02/07/2023 15:35

I’m wondering if we’re all missing a trick and somehow he has a plan to make a load of cash by running it into the ground. I’m not financially savvy enough to understand shorting stock, but a tech take on that sort of grubby business.

otherwise this just seems barmy and destructive.

Occam's razor means he's just incompetent.

MelonsOnSaleAgain · 02/07/2023 15:35

I’m wondering if we’re all missing a trick and somehow he has a plan to make a load of cash by running it into the ground. I’m not financially savvy enough to understand shorting stock, but a tech take on that sort of grubby business.

otherwise this just seems barmy and destructive.

TrustThePlan · 02/07/2023 15:34

LadyInBread · 02/07/2023 15:17

What's the vc money tap please?

Venture capitalist investment.

whitemoonstone · 02/07/2023 15:25

I have notifications set up for any important accounts that I follow, so when I go on Twitter I can go straight to any important tweets that way. I rarely scroll through my feed as it shows tweets from everyone you follow. So it’s more than enough for me.

Facebook doesn’t show all posts from friends and pages/ groups you follow; it just shows a selection.

LadyInBread · 02/07/2023 15:17

What's the vc money tap please?

TrustThePlan · 02/07/2023 15:09

IvyTwines · 02/07/2023 14:54

Mine, on desktop, seems to be back. Is it back to normal or is it that the 'rollover' to the new allowance day started after lunch? We shall see. I muted lots of accounts I follow that tweet or retweet a lot to clean up my timeline in case the rationing is real and ongoing. It probably needed a spring clean anyway.

The problem is, a lot of that spring cleaning will show that Twitter is infested with bots, which for Elon now being owner, is an issue.

Twitter is bascially impossible to monetise, much like most of Web 2.0 and why Web 3.0 was stillborn. Look at Reddit imploding now too, since the VC money tap has been turned off and everything is getting more expensive.