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Rwanda ruling

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OwlBabiesAreCute · 29/06/2023 18:17

Suella Braverman says today's Supreme Court ruling against the UK government's plan to send immigrants to Rwanda is a disappointment for most people.

Not for me it isn't.

AIBU? Am I in the minority?

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Nomorenonbinary · 29/06/2023 19:52

FloydPepper · 29/06/2023 19:47

Actually no, it’s sarcasm but that’s not really making it any better. It’s a poor “joke”

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I'm sorry you didn't understand that I was pointing out that just because (the pp thought) Germany was doing something doesn't mean it was the right thing for the UK to be doing.

DeedlessIndeed · 29/06/2023 19:49

hattie43 · 29/06/2023 19:09

I'm not surprised it failed . Why choose Rwanda no wonder people are filled with horror .
I can't grasp why they don't spend the money wracking up the staff to process applications including the backlog and allow those who can remain to get on with their lives and anyone not allowed is removed .
I so believe we should automatically expel / remove anyone who commits a crime on British soil . We have enough criminals of our own .

I work with asylum seekers and am pro-immigration. I am also massively against the Rwanda proposal.

However, I don't think it's as simple as just increase the number of decision makers.

Massive amounts of resources and investment needs to be made a local authority level. If the 100K+ people in the asylum system get their decisions expedited, where will they go? Asylum seekers are in Home Office provided accommodation, when they are told to move out, there will be a massive influx onto the local authority Homelessness Teams.

I do agree about the levels of Foreign Offenders that are in the asylum system, and those abusing the system (Deliveroo anyone?) is where the Home Office focus needs to be.

FloydPepper · 29/06/2023 19:47

FloydPepper · 29/06/2023 19:45

2 of us have missed it so I don’t think it’s as obvious as you think it is…

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Actually no, it’s sarcasm but that’s not really making it any better. It’s a poor “joke”

FloydPepper · 29/06/2023 19:45

Nomorenonbinary · 29/06/2023 19:41

Do you not understand sarcasm?

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2 of us have missed it so I don’t think it’s as obvious as you think it is…

Nomorenonbinary · 29/06/2023 19:41

FloydPepper · 29/06/2023 19:39

It reads like something pretty vile so I’d suggest if that’s an error you get it removed

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Do you not understand sarcasm?

MostlyBlueberryFlavoured · 29/06/2023 19:41

LlynTegid · 29/06/2023 18:27

There are British territories that could be used. Places where there was not a genocide in recent memory. If you accepted the case for those who did not come to the country on a visa or pre-approved scheme should not wait in the UK whilst a claim is processed.

And why, exactly, are they "British territories"? Oh yes, because of COLONIALISM, aka helping yourself to other people's countries and property all over the world. Perhaps start by making reparations. And learning some basic history.

SunnyEgg · 29/06/2023 19:40

OwlBabiesAreCute · 29/06/2023 18:48

I was going to say the same. Germany are not doing it although it's been proposed. Looks like the UK government is first to actually try and implement it.

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although it's been proposed

Who has proposed it?

itsgettingweird · 29/06/2023 19:40

She's my MP.

Anyone want to see the people opinions should read the responses to her FB page post.

I'm guessing no one really thinks this is the will of the people or against British people.

You'd expect her Fab page to be full of her usual praise gods.

FloydPepper · 29/06/2023 19:39

Nomorenonbinary · 29/06/2023 19:38

It was sarcasm

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It reads like something pretty vile so I’d suggest if that’s an error you get it removed

FloydPepper · 29/06/2023 19:38

OwlBabiesAreCute · 29/06/2023 19:21

I think this thread illustrates some of why this country is so divided.

One person makes a statement which is not true (Germany also deporting people to Rwanda). Despite all the subsequent comments pointing out this is not true, it gets quotes as fact time and time again.

It’s either not reading/understanding or not caring

the headline is attractive and supports their view so they can ignore any facts that disprove it

Nomorenonbinary · 29/06/2023 19:38

pointythings · 29/06/2023 19:35

Well, that's not a disgusting post at all.

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It was sarcasm

pointythings · 29/06/2023 19:35

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Well, that's not a disgusting post at all.

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OwlBabiesAreCute · 29/06/2023 19:21

I think this thread illustrates some of why this country is so divided.

One person makes a statement which is not true (Germany also deporting people to Rwanda). Despite all the subsequent comments pointing out this is not true, it gets quotes as fact time and time again.

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Exasperatednow · 29/06/2023 19:15

Just to be clear.

GERMANY ISNT DOING THIS.

Quveas · 29/06/2023 19:10

LlynTegid · 29/06/2023 18:27

There are British territories that could be used. Places where there was not a genocide in recent memory. If you accepted the case for those who did not come to the country on a visa or pre-approved scheme should not wait in the UK whilst a claim is processed.

Ermm. Which "British territories " exactly? You think they actually want to be a part of a deeply offensive and racist policy? Most of them are busy trying not to be "British"!

hattie43 · 29/06/2023 19:09

I'm not surprised it failed . Why choose Rwanda no wonder people are filled with horror .
I can't grasp why they don't spend the money wracking up the staff to process applications including the backlog and allow those who can remain to get on with their lives and anyone not allowed is removed .
I so believe we should automatically expel / remove anyone who commits a crime on British soil . We have enough criminals of our own .

HoHoHoMo · 29/06/2023 19:03

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 29/06/2023 18:42

Germany is doing this, though. They seem to think it’s okay

If Germany jumped off a bridge, would you do it?

Just because they do something (which they don’t) doesn’t mean we should.

SunnyEgg · 29/06/2023 18:57

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 29/06/2023 18:42

Germany is doing this, though. They seem to think it’s okay

Really? If they succeed things may shift generally

chupachucks · 29/06/2023 18:50

Well I agree with her, go figure 🤔

Exasperatednow · 29/06/2023 18:48

No Germany isn't. Its been reported in the Daily Mail and Telegraph (those reliable sources) that they are potentially thinking about it (propposed by certain parties.
But and a big but they have legal routes and are welcoming to migrants.

Maybe read different newspapers.

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OwlBabiesAreCute · 29/06/2023 18:48

pointythings · 29/06/2023 18:46

Are they actually doing it? All I can find are proposals, none of them nearly as advanced as the UK's Rwanda policy, none implemented because yes, they're hitting the same human rights barriers.

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I was going to say the same. Germany are not doing it although it's been proposed. Looks like the UK government is first to actually try and implement it.

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Thebestwaytoscareatory · 29/06/2023 18:47

Yanbu at all in my opinion. I had a look at how various media platforms were reporting it and the right leaning outlets made for saddening and scary reading.

People genuinely calling for the removal of the courts / judges so that politicians can pass whatever laws they want. It's frightening that people like that have the right to vote.

pointythings · 29/06/2023 18:46

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 29/06/2023 18:42

Germany is doing this, though. They seem to think it’s okay

Are they actually doing it? All I can find are proposals, none of them nearly as advanced as the UK's Rwanda policy, none implemented because yes, they're hitting the same human rights barriers.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 29/06/2023 18:42

Germany is doing this, though. They seem to think it’s okay