Rwanda ruling

Tory MPs do nothing without it benefiting themselves or their mates.
Braverman must be getting something out of this.
Well, she’s not now is she? Makes it even better

I'm really pleased about this ruling but we're not out of the woods yet. The government is appealing to the supreme court.

I don't necessarily agree with shipping people off to Rwanda, but I DO think something needs to change to discourage people from making illegal crossings, and instead coming through the proper channels.

There are no proper channels! You cannot claim UK asylum from outside the UK.

the NHS doesn't need the money! we have been getting the 7million per week since brexit obv

I'm not disappointed by today's ruling; quite the opposite.

I'm braced for the revolting DM headlines branding the judges 'Enemies of the People'. Remember that?

there is an amazing hotel called "Gorilla's Nest" in the Rwandan highlands. they take the guests on treks in the mountains to meet Gorillas and apparently can sometimes see them from the hotel. if suella wanted to bankroll me to live in that hotel (2000 USD per night so totally out of my price range), I will get on a plane right now. then they can at least say they sent one immigrant to Rwanda?

on a serious note, Stella the cruella has been giving the contracts in Rwanda to her chums and I would be interested to know how much she has profited herself.

No need, it’s been removed by mnhq 😀

I struggle with the whole concept to be honest.

I don't necessarily agree with shipping people off to Rwanda, but I DO think something needs to change to discourage people from making illegal crossings, and instead coming through the proper channels.

There must be a reason so many people want to make it to the UK, why is this? Perhaps we need to make it less attractive.

The problem is all the time people are crossing illegally in their thousands, we have no record of them or who they are (some of them destroy their paperwork apparently)

I do believe we're not doing enough to help GENUINE asylum seekers, however economic migrants are different and why shouldn't we be able to restrict who can live here according to the skills we need I.e. Australia

Yeah, it is a lovely country. If you are white and a tourist with money. Living there is an interesting alternative, because it's "peace" and "stability" come at a price...

"Significant human rights issues included credible reports of: unlawful or arbitrary killings; torture or cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment by the government; harsh and life-threatening prison conditions; arbitrary detention; political prisoners or detainees; transnational repression against individuals located outside the country, including killings, kidnappings, and violence; arbitrary or unlawful interference with privacy; serious restrictions on free expression and media, including threats of violence against journalists, unjustified arrests or prosecutions of journalists, and censorship; serious restrictions on internet freedom; substantial interference with the freedom of peaceful assembly and freedom of association, including overly restrictive laws on the organization, funding, or operation of nongovernmental and civil society organizations; serious and unreasonable restrictions on political participation; and serious government restrictions on or harassment of domestic and international human rights organizations.
The government took some steps to prosecute or punish officials reported to have committed human rights abuses and acts of corruption, including within the security services, but impunity involving civilian officials and some members of the state security forces was a problem." US Department of State, https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-country-reports-on-human-rights-practices/rwanda/

Or https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/14/rwanda-human-rights-fears-paul-kagame

How about this one - from the British government! https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/rwanda-country-policy-and-information-notes/country-policy-and-information-note-rwanda-general-human-rights-may-2022-accessible

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2022/country-chapters/rwanda

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Rwanda

The good news is that so far, there is no actual evidence of any new human rights violations in Rwanda last month. Yet.

England is a lovely country, and everyone (mostly) I have met are great. It doesn't mean that I have an inclination to support the government, its policies or its record on dubious polices, lying to the public, and corruption.

But then I was in Rwanda in 1995, when it wasn't a "lovely country" and the people were trying to kill each other based on their ethnic differences.

Tyranny and the suppression of fundamental freedoms often lead to stability and peace. But if the price is living in fear of your life, then they come at too high a price.

Ironic really, when you got a fundamental fact wrong in your original post.

Only a psychopath would be happy with sending vulnerable people to Rwanda.

I'm not disappointed. We need to find a sensible strategy to deal with immigration. The Rwanda plan is not it.

(And what is with the bizarre posts about the Germany post? That was obviously sarcasm. Have they not taught the bots to recognise that yet?)

That 140 million could have gone towards a pay rise for the NHS workers or the teachers
It's just criminal what they do with our money
( I know this is a very simplistic view, but it is just bad and they get away with it too )

100% this.

Rwanda is a lovely country and everyone we met was great. Don't wish her on them.

Poor Rwandans. Surely there's an unpopulated atoll somewhere she could go.

I didn't take it as a personal insult. Nor am I going to ask for it to be removed.

The thing is, I'm not convinced the government ever intended the policy to work otherwise they'd have no way to go 'look over there'.

If they did, they'd have legal routes and a way into work to counter our lack of people to do jobs (since brexit).

But instead they proposed an expensive (£169k per person plus £140m), illegal, distasteful policy that does the Uk brand no good whatsoever.

Cherchez les funds.

You can bet your arse that somewhere a Tory MP has pocketed a packet.

Sewerella griping that the ruling is 'unfair on those who play by the rules' after her flagship policy has just been ruled illegal is breath-taking in terms of the sheer brass neck. Shouldn't be surprised since it has long been abundantly clear she has no shame, humanity, or much in the way of intelligence.

£140 million pounds of our money was given to Rwanda for this scheme, and not a single person has been sent, and now its been confirmed that the scheme has been unlawful from the beginning.

£140 million of our money absolutely wasted.

Some disappointment here. Now Bravermen et al. can just go "well we'd have stopped the boats but the leftie lawyers stopped us. We are but poor martyrs standing for Britannia."

My absolute sympathy for the handful of poor souls actually shipped out under the policy but I feel it would have been better in the long run for the policy to be allowed to run and fail abysmally.

General rule that I follow: if Cruella thinks it's a good idea it's a fucking abysmal idea.

I dream about Braverman taking a plane to Rwanda.

It's populist bullshit. 'The people' are some overwhelming folksy mass that will this, want that, somehow it doesn't chime with what the actual people in the country vote for, say or think.

Trump was always talking about 'the people'.

And I’m sorry you don’t understand that a couple of us pointing out your joke has landed badly isn’t a personal insult, and you’re allowed to say “my bad” and get it removed without the patronising responses