Thoughts on teacher’s comment

Definitely shouldn’t ‘assume’ children are lying, just get both sides of the story.

You must have forgotten the thread you were on a few years ago OP. Do a search on yourself. Quite enlightening. All about how kids lie about everything that happens at school and nobody should ever believe anything that's a criticism of a teacher because it's all lies.

Funny how times change.

It makes me so uncomfortable when two children or more confirm something was said or done and people here insist that they were lying for no other reason than the fact they are children. YANBU, @RexMyDarling

Follow it up with the school - even if it is my 5&7 year old children coming home with a strange comment or story from school we speak to the school to clarify.
Sometimes DC have got the wrong end of the stick but sometimes they have picked up on something and we've had an apology straight away from school.

This really is not OK. It needs much more investigation.

Does she work with visual timers, headphones etc

I think I would ask for an appointment with the teacher and askmif your child had a problem in lessons like not finishing work or being lazy. I wouldnt quote that child.

I couldn't care less about stats.

I care that unsupported ADHD is soul destroying for the kids involved

At yes not succeeding doesn't necessarily mean behaviour issues persay. But non production of work in class I would consider a behaviour problem whatever the cause. It is not a behaviour that we want and therefore it needs working on

yes the cause needs to be explored. But kids with SN can be naughty both cause they want to be and because misbehaving gets them out of doing whatever they are finding hard (eg concentrating on school). They can also struggle because of their SN. But it is really important to drill down what combination of the above is applicable in each case.

It's a hard balance but it will always work best where school and trying and child is trying.

But you are also working on the presumption that kids with ADHD can't succeed which is also not true. They can, it is possible. Also not every kids with ADHD has an EHCP. Some because they learn to self manage.

You are right, we don't give the right support automatically. We don't run sensory circuits multiple times a week before school (although DS's primary and secondary did because of DS' EHCP and they realised just how many kids benefitted). Some of the stuff we do at school is counter productive (not allowing headphones with music to work, hoodies banned when kids would benefit from having them up and reducing the sensory imput that way). If I had my way I would have a CAMHS and OT professional in every school who did classroom visits.

Even putting aside the problems with EHCP, there are things that could be done that arent. Parents don't necessarily do the simple stuff like ban/reduce sugar and caffeine. Kids dont want to give up tic tock and certain types of computer games which make the whole ADHD thing harder. Sometimes people don't even know the basic stuff like this helps.

EHCP is just one prong of a multidisciplinary attack, everything needs to come together for the best results.

It’s definitely passive aggressive 😂

Well I hope they build those robot teachers who never make a single mistake soon for you. In the meantime you’re stuck with the human ones who are allowed to make simple mistakes at times, especially when quickly typing on the internet rather than spending hours editing a lesson plan.

I think gerrataere's response is perfect. It's not accusatory but it shows you're willing to work with them to come up with a solution.

I have to say though that I don't understand what this has to do with safeguarding? The teacher didn't do anything to make her unsafe?

OP is a secondary school teacher, so this is what they are teaching.
The fact that they are dealing with learning issues is amazing, but it's also true that students need to be taught correctly.

I wouldn’t personally send the passive aggressive email posted previously without actually talking the teacher in question first.

It’s in no way passive aggressive. It brings up the incident without suggesting that the op is taking it as 100% what the teacher actually said, whilst also moving the conversation on to what can actively be done to help the ops daughter. The key issue here is to get the SENCO involved so both daughter and teacher feel like she’s achieving more. I’d be asking for an IEP as well if she doesn’t already have one. Talking to the teacher will not solve her daughters feelings of floundering in the longterm, the issue with the teacher (if there is one) is simply a starting point onto the actual support system that needs to be started.

@Mikimoto you open a thread about a woman having concerns over her struggling daughter and spelling corrections what you feel is necessary to reply to the op? I’m honestly embarrassed for you here, that’s pretty low.

I wouldn’t personally send the passive aggressive email posted previously without actually talking the teacher in question first. Certainly not off the back of a conversation you’ve had at a party with a 7 year old you don’t know well. May dent your credibility.

I would certainly go in to school and have a frank and honest discussion with the class teacher. I’d set goals and have a clear understanding what your child is and isn’t achieving in class, acknowledging their challenges and agree together how to overcome them. I have done this with my own child with SEN. I meet with his teacher every 6 weeks, he is also 7.

I can’t for the life of me think why this would be a safeguarding issue? It’s certainly a breakdown in communication between teacher and parent tho.

I wouldn't be happy if a teacher said this in front of the class.

Dysfunction.

Maybe they won't notice when you do her homework!

That should be raising not easing of course…

Well thankfully times have moved on and if children are picking up on a struggling child it is an excellent opportunity for parents to educate them and themselves on the extreme difficulties of the classroom environment on a child with ADHD, ASD or any other special educational needs. That way instead of easing judgy little tattletales they may think twice about how someone else is struggling with something they themselves may find quite simple. Be kind and all that.

Get a grip. You know there’s context to this rather than accusing me of saying everything a 7/8 year old (of which I have one and one older too before you think to question me) says is a lie. They’re talking to you about something they can’t possibly, or are highly unlikely to be able to, understand.

I’d be more concerned that your child is refusing to do work in class. I don’t think what the teacher said is that bad.

In primary classrooms it’s very easy for children to pick up who works hard and who doesn’t. All it takes is a few lessons where one child has to be repeatedly reminded to get on with their work, stop talking or whatever.

Offering to complete work at home is more likely to be an excuse to not get on with it in the lesson. Sounds like that's how the teacher interpreted it anyway.
Kids at year 3 will know which ones are hard working/able and which aren't.
Remarks made in a classroom setting will be overheard by other children. It's not a safeguarding issue for children to overhear another child being told off.
This really sounds like a very normal exchange where the teacher is trying to humorously get the child to do some work.

I think parents should support teachers and not undermine them. Children are in school to learn regardless of what else they have going on.