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Mum keeps asking for money

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tiredmumma8696 · 23/06/2023 20:45

I thought I would come to Mumsnet to understand if it's me being unreasonable for thinking this way.

My mum lives in a large house, she's early 60s; no mortgage. Still working but on a low ish salary and lives alone. The house is 5 bedrooms and is worth around £650-700k. Mum is struggling to maintain the house due to the investment needed (it's a Victorian house). She's lived their 30 years and done very little to it.

She is struggling for money on monthly basis and is asking for help. My siblings and I have broached the subject about selling the house but she refuses saying it will be too stressful.

I feel resentful handing over money when she is sat in a huge house by herself. Our mortgage is about to go up by £1000 per month (we were on a low fixed rate and now remortgaging). We also have two children in nursery which is expensive.

To give some more background we are not particularly close. My oldest is over 3 and a half and never been offered so much as an hours babysitting or anything like that.

I feel like there is a lot of guilt tripping on her part and I just offer some money to help but starting to feel resentful given she is sat on several hundred thousand if she sold.

AIBU?

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Sugarfree23 · 24/06/2023 15:20

jackstini · 24/06/2023 14:48

Sorry - I meant release some equity by remortgaging (as she's still working)

Thats just kicking the can down the road until she is retired.
But really if she can't afford the upkeep now without a mortgage then she's going to struggle with the upkeep and a mortgage.

And once she retires she'll be back to the same boat.

jackstini · 24/06/2023 14:48

Sorry - I meant release some equity by remortgaging (as she's still working)

SiouxsieSiouxStiletto · 24/06/2023 14:07

Apart from asking for money she does sound quite a lot like my M.

I would prepare yourself for her behaviour getting a little worse once you start putting in boundaries. She's used to having full control and won't like that starting to slip.

Do t put up with it though. You don't have to put up with anyone's bad behaviour, especially a badly behaved parent who is demanding money from you.

tiredmumma8696 · 24/06/2023 14:01

@SiouxsieSiouxStiletto
I guess she brings very little. We see her much less than other GPs and I do so out of guilt!
Since having children myself I have realised quite a few things about my own childhood that wasn't right and also how even now the relationship isn't right compared to my in laws who are amazing.
I have been reading up about fear obligation and guilt and it's exactly how I feel.

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SiouxsieSiouxStiletto · 24/06/2023 13:47

tiredmumma8696 · 24/06/2023 13:20

@Pearlsaminga I do feel like she does have power and that's something that needs to change: I always worry about rocking the boat but she brings very little to the relationship and I would definitely see her less if it wasn't for my children

What is she bringing to the DC's lives? You've said that she doesn't want to babysit, what does she do that they enjoy? Unless your DM is very different with your DC than she is with you I'm guessing that they wouldn't be missing out on much if they saw her a bit less.

I think you also need to read up on FOG (Fear, Obligation and Guilt).

Pearlsaminga · 24/06/2023 13:45

Perhaps you need to sit down with your DM & do a full money assessment
Please do that Opie and report back to us, I bet she will sit there with a face like a slapped arse tutting and sighing...

2birthdayday · 24/06/2023 13:43

Perhaps you need to sit down with your DM & do a full money assessment

How much she has coming in eg wages, pensions

How much all her bills are

Is there a shortfall ?

Can she sell any possessions ?

Can she access her private pension

Can she rent out a room

Can she claim any benefits like single person council tax discount, universal credit

nokidshere · 24/06/2023 13:37

There's nothing wrong with equity release, it's just a mortgage that gets paid off when you die. If you aren't bothered about leaving an inheritance to someone it's a good way to stay in your own home and have some cash. Interest rates are almost the same as mortgage rates and it's regulated by the FCA.

Stop giving your mother money. Downsizing or equity release are her only two options at this point.

Cozytoesandtoast00 · 24/06/2023 13:27

Think of it like this; you are taking money from your own family to fund your mum who doesn't need it (as she should rightly sell)
Don't be a mug.

Pearlsaminga · 24/06/2023 13:24

tiredmumma8696 · 24/06/2023 13:20

@Pearlsaminga I do feel like she does have power and that's something that needs to change: I always worry about rocking the boat but she brings very little to the relationship and I would definitely see her less if it wasn't for my children

That's because you've been manipulated to feel like a subordinate who has to obey her. It's very difficult to override those feelings and the sense of duty and guilt which she has implanted in you, but for your own sake you need to try and look at it rationally and realise that she doesn't have any actual power over you.
The more times you say no to her the easier it will get and the more you will realize that she can't make you do anything that's not in your interests.

Gettingbysomehow · 24/06/2023 13:24

tiredmumma8696 · 24/06/2023 13:20

@Pearlsaminga I do feel like she does have power and that's something that needs to change: I always worry about rocking the boat but she brings very little to the relationship and I would definitely see her less if it wasn't for my children

She doesn't have any power, she is asking YOU for money. I'd say you hold all the power here. She isn't even a great mum.

gamerchick · 24/06/2023 13:24

tiredmumma8696 · 24/06/2023 13:20

@Pearlsaminga I do feel like she does have power and that's something that needs to change: I always worry about rocking the boat but she brings very little to the relationship and I would definitely see her less if it wasn't for my children

Yeah you need to look up FOG and come out the bugger. The first time standing your ground is the hardest, it gets easier though and is very freeing.

tiredmumma8696 · 24/06/2023 13:20

@Pearlsaminga I do feel like she does have power and that's something that needs to change: I always worry about rocking the boat but she brings very little to the relationship and I would definitely see her less if it wasn't for my children

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Bivarb · 24/06/2023 13:19

Echoing what everyone has said.
Tell her you can't afford to help and that if she sold the house and bought a lovely one bedroom flat she'd have loads of spare money and a higher quality of life.

Be the broken record, you can't afford to give her money. You don't have it to spare

Gettingbysomehow · 24/06/2023 13:19

What!!! I'm early 60's too and have recently downsized to a small manageable house with a courtyard garden. I didn't ask DS for any help either. In fact I gave him a deposit for a house out of that money.
I work full time.
I think its time to tell her she is being ridiculous and she needs to downsize now before she retires and get her ducks in a row.
That house will just slowly rot, fall to bits and she'll be living there aged 90 or whatever with no spare money.
I work partially on the district and sadly see many elderly people doing this and ending up in leaky houses needing full renovation which they can't sell unless its at auction.
Tell her your children need the money more than she does and please can she stop asking.

tiredmumma8696 · 24/06/2023 13:18

@2birthdayday she has a good pension as worked for local government her whole working life and also a private one set up by her parents.

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Pearlsaminga · 24/06/2023 13:16

She doesn't like being told no or not getting her own way
Too bad, what's she going to do, send you to bec without any pudding? Stop your pocket money?
She has no power over you.

tiredmumma8696 · 24/06/2023 13:16

@4Kilos2go
I wouldn't want to live in her house. We've spent so long making our own house the house that's perfect for us and the kids. We would have to start again.

That's a good idea about training, if it always leads to the same discussion which she never wants to have!

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Pearlsaminga · 24/06/2023 13:13

Ignore the guilt tripping and employ the broken record technique sorry mum I can't afford it and you've got lots of equity in the house that you could release if you were to downsize.
If it was me I would have responded by asking her for money long ago ..... see how she likes them apples

2birthdayday · 24/06/2023 13:09

Ýour DM should get her property valued by 3 estate agents
Ask how much costs would be for solicitor, moving van, estate agent fees
Then she could look for somewhere smaller

She could release some money to live on

It would be better for her to move now in her 60s, rather than have to move in her 80s

Secondly, at 66 or 67 will she receive a full state pension, she should check here & does she have any other private pension ?

SiouxsieSiouxStiletto · 24/06/2023 11:38

CaveMum · 24/06/2023 10:46

Another one against equity release here! MIL did equity release of £25k from her home as she wanted to buy a new car, get a new boiler and go on some nice holidays. She didn’t chat with DH or BIL about it and when they found out after the fact they both said they would have lent her the money to do those things if she really needed it.

Fast forward about 8 years and MIL was too unwell to stay in the house and needed to move to a flat quickly. We didn’t have the time to sell the house (she was literally about to be discharged from hospital after a 6 week stay due to a fall), so the plan was to rent out her house to fund the rental of a flat and give her a small income on top of her pension. We were covering the cost of the flat rental while tenants were found for her house (thankfully in a very desirable university city so we had tenants sorted within 6 weeks). On checking the terms of the equity release we found small print that said the property could not be rented out in any way and that we either had to sell the house or buy out the equity release. That £25k released had turned into a bill of £60k and between us and BIL we had to scrape together the money from our own savings to pay it off. Thankfully we were able to raise it, and had our money ringfenced within the value of the property so that we could get it back in the future when the house was eventually sold.

Long story short, avoid equity release if at all possible!

That's so awful. Daytime TV is filled with adverts of smiley people all recommending equity release. I think they do trade on most older people being too proud to discuss it with family too.

OP you've had some really good advice on here.

If you don't want to rock the boat before the wedding I'd suggest avoiding her as much as possible before then and if she does ask, just be honest and say that your mortgage has just gone up by £1000 and you could do with some help yourself, smile and change the subject.

After the Wedding I'd do these things on rotation each time she asks:

Tell her how much your mortgage has gone up by.

Suggest she rents out some rooms.

Suggest she sells up and moves.

Ask her for some money.

And just keep repeating one of them each time she asks until she stops asking.

If she gets nasty with you, just leave. This is one of the reasons that I only usually see my M at her home, it's so that I can leave if she starts getting nasty.

Any money you have should be going to your future and the safety of your family and home.

uncomfortablydumb53 · 24/06/2023 11:23

I'm really glad this has given you the confidence to speak up
At 63 and still working.. simply has no shame!
I'm 58, disabled and moved into a small GF flat purely so I could manage.
As I said upthread, I would never even think of asking my DC to fund my life choices

Bluebells1970 · 24/06/2023 11:16

Yes please don't suggest equity release. I'm fairly convinced that my Mum has done it, and doesn't understand that it's essentially a very high interest rate mortgage and you just pay all the interest charges at the end rather than throughout.
DD has just a house from an elderly couple that had done this and it held the sale up for nearly 4 months as it was so complicated for the solicitors to sort.

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