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ItJustFellOutLikeWordVomit · 23/06/2023 13:34

Well just that really….I have gay, straight, bi sexual and transsexual friends and absolutely have no problem with that, very much a do what makes you happy person.

Butttt….AIBU to think the world is going a bit mad with all the non-female, cis female and whatever other labels are floating about. I’m a woman and that’s that, you are either biologically a male or biologically a female and I don’t mean that in an insensitive way dress how you like and date who you like but surely we can’t just be inventing different/new sexes and telling straight women they are no longer a woman they are now XYZ?

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Emotionalsupportviper · 28/06/2023 13:56

SerafinasGoose · 28/06/2023 12:55

'Then I must keep in good health and not die, Sir'.

I don't know what it is about this post that made me laugh so much. But it did 😂😂😂

😂😂😂

On a serious note, I have read reports of TW in care homes, suffering from dementia, who are now very upset at being treated as their cc="preferred gender" rather than their born sex - and the staff aren't allowed to call "Stacy", "George" despite it being his given name, and him becoming very distressed, because "identity".

When your marbles start to get a bit loose, and you can't cope with the cognitive dissonance any more, and the lie is too hard to maintain, your body knows EXACTLY what sex you are.

SerafinasGoose · 28/06/2023 12:55

HootyMcBooby76 · 27/06/2023 21:57

Yes.
The second you drop dead, all of your inner constructed fantasies and feelings die with you.
And you are just a plain old man or woman. The biology of your body is all that is left.

Reality sucks.

'Then I must keep in good health and not die, Sir'.

I don't know what it is about this post that made me laugh so much. But it did 😂😂😂

Sistanotcista · 28/06/2023 09:33

hollyblueivy · 28/06/2023 07:04

If there are two sexes, why does Joe Bloggs in HR have to tell us in his email that he is a he/him/his

??

Sex and gender are different. Joe Bloggs is welcome to tell you how he identifies, if he wishes, but he shouldn't "have to". See the extract below which clearly shows that people should not be compelled to state their pronouns:-

"Yogyaharta Principle 6(f) (The Right to Privacy) states,
Ensure the right of all persons ordinarily to choose when, to whom and how to disclose information pertaining to their sexual orientation or gender identity, and protect all persons from arbitrary or unwanted disclosure, or threat of disclosure of such information by others."

Employers need to both avoid discrimination against people because of gender-critical beliefs and also avoid discrimination on the basis of gender reassignment.

nothingcomestonothing · 28/06/2023 07:25

hollyblueivy · 28/06/2023 07:04

If there are two sexes, why does Joe Bloggs in HR have to tell us in his email that he is a he/him/his

??

Because Joe Blogs in HR is a virtue signalling try hard? Just a guess.

hollyblueivy · 28/06/2023 07:04

If there are two sexes, why does Joe Bloggs in HR have to tell us in his email that he is a he/him/his

??

Emotionalsupportviper · 28/06/2023 06:35

Guiltridden12345 · 27/06/2023 22:01

I am not cis anything. I am a woman. Redefine yourself by all means, but don’t redefine me.

THIS ⬆

In Spades.

Tastefully presented on a silver salver and garnished with parsley.

Guiltridden12345 · 27/06/2023 22:01

gooseduckchicken · 23/06/2023 13:46

There's a difference between sex and gender.

Things evolve - you say that we shouldn't tell a "straight woman" she is xyz. There was a time when lots of people would be appalled at having to identify a woman as "straight"; straight would have been the default, to presume anything else would have been an insult.

The same may happen with cis.

I am not cis anything. I am a woman. Redefine yourself by all means, but don’t redefine me.

HootyMcBooby76 · 27/06/2023 21:57

Davina69 · 27/06/2023 21:05

In the British Museum is Pete bog man aka as Lindow man. His body was preserved in a peat bog after he was murdered around 119AD. When he was discovered in 1984 the tests concluded he was a man.

For all we know he spent his days wailing about his love life dressed as the devil and called himself they/them but now nobody gives a shit.

Once you're dead you're either a man or a woman !

Yes.
The second you drop dead, all of your inner constructed fantasies and feelings die with you.
And you are just a plain old man or woman. The biology of your body is all that is left.

Reality sucks.

Davina69 · 27/06/2023 21:05

In the British Museum is Pete bog man aka as Lindow man. His body was preserved in a peat bog after he was murdered around 119AD. When he was discovered in 1984 the tests concluded he was a man.

For all we know he spent his days wailing about his love life dressed as the devil and called himself they/them but now nobody gives a shit.

Once you're dead you're either a man or a woman !

loislovesstewie · 27/06/2023 14:41

@Helleofabore ,if people used common sense and the evidence of their own eyes, we would all be better off.

Helleofabore · 27/06/2023 14:32

What a very sad state we are in though that we have to spend time checking for original source information to either prove or disprove what we read?

HootyMcBooby76 · 27/06/2023 13:11

This thread just shows the willingness in which some people blindly accept what they are told, do no further research of their own, then go on to repeat that lie to other people.
It's how facts are diluted so much that the lie becomes the "truth" over time, even when the facts are there for anyone who wishes to find them.

It's infuriating that in 2023 some people still think "intersex" means you are hovering somewhere on a "spectrum" between male and female, that there is some ambiguous third sex, that some people are "hermaphrodites" like the old Victorian fakes found in freak shows, that the party line touted by the TRAs is unquestionable fact.

There are a lot of people in this thread who have undoubtedly repeated those same old blatant lies and misinformation to other people.

It's incredibly sad.

Emotionalsupportviper · 27/06/2023 12:24

FECK!

I also meant India!

I am ashamed . . . . 😞

Helleofabore · 27/06/2023 08:15

Emotionalsupportviper · 27/06/2023 08:04

Funnily enough, just after I replied to you before, Holly Willoughby's cervix sprang, unbidden, into my conscious mind.

Now I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Oh, of course. Oooops

I meant India. I mean, India Willoughby might have been told their neo vag has a cervix and is just repeating what some well meaning surgeon told them.

Helleofabore · 27/06/2023 08:13

Tippingadvice · 27/06/2023 08:04

Whether or not Caster has a fully formed vagina or not, is not a determining factor of their sex.

It’s chromosomes and hormones that are in every cell of Casters body.

I believe that both viper and I are fully aware of that fact.

Emotionalsupportviper · 27/06/2023 08:04

Helleofabore · 27/06/2023 08:00

I mean, semenya said in 2009 they offered to show the medical board their vagina with the words ‘I am a woman’. So based on the lie ‘I am a woman’ knowing absolutely by then that Semenya was indeed male with testes, I wouldn’t trust the offer to see the vagina. It sounds more like grandstanding to me. Like Willoughby offering some Tv host to see their cervix.

However, it is possible that they have a ‘blind ended’ vagina. One that is short and not connected to anything else. Certainly not a functional vagina in any way.

So, yes, are people taking Semenya’s word for it? It doesn’t matter at all to me, I am wanting to understand why people double down on repeating it.

Funnily enough, just after I replied to you before, Holly Willoughby's cervix sprang, unbidden, into my conscious mind.

Now I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Tippingadvice · 27/06/2023 08:04

Whether or not Caster has a fully formed vagina or not, is not a determining factor of their sex.

It’s chromosomes and hormones that are in every cell of Casters body.

Helleofabore · 27/06/2023 08:00

I mean, semenya said in 2009 they offered to show the medical board their vagina with the words ‘I am a woman’. So based on the lie ‘I am a woman’ knowing absolutely by then that Semenya was indeed male with testes, I wouldn’t trust the offer to see the vagina. It sounds more like grandstanding to me. Like Willoughby offering some Tv host to see their cervix.

However, it is possible that they have a ‘blind ended’ vagina. One that is short and not connected to anything else. Certainly not a functional vagina in any way.

So, yes, are people taking Semenya’s word for it? It doesn’t matter at all to me, I am wanting to understand why people double down on repeating it.

Emotionalsupportviper · 27/06/2023 07:55

Helleofabore · 27/06/2023 07:41

To be fair viper, I am still waiting for shatteredmum1 to* return *with the evidence that Semenya has a vagina. I am very intrigued as they declared it very confidently.

I wondered how they knew.

Has Semenya ever said? Has the poster got inside information?

I mean they doubled down on it, so surely they wouldn’t do that unless they knew.

Hadn't thought of that @Helleofabore .

You must be right.

I'm sure that reliable medical evidence (though hopefully not photographs) will be posted soon.

Helleofabore · 27/06/2023 07:41

To be fair viper, I am still waiting for shatteredmum1 to* return *with the evidence that Semenya has a vagina. I am very intrigued as they declared it very confidently.

I wondered how they knew.

Has Semenya ever said? Has the poster got inside information?

I mean they doubled down on it, so surely they wouldn’t do that unless they knew.

Emotionalsupportviper · 27/06/2023 07:24

Florissante · 26/06/2023 15:02

Caster has a micro-penis.

And more importantly, does NOT have a vulva/ vagina.

Caster is aman.

OneFootInTheDave · 26/06/2023 22:28

entry

OneFootInTheDave · 26/06/2023 22:28

DameKatyDenisesClagnuts · 25/06/2023 15:56

  • citation needed

A top every for the annual claptrap award finalist right here🫠

StormShadow · 26/06/2023 18:26

nothingcomestonothing · 26/06/2023 17:00

The press quite deliberately obfuscate it, because they don't want to tell the truth. If everyone clearly understood that CS is male and has all the advantages conferred by male puberty, that would open up a seam of conversation about how that's unfair.and shouldn't be allowed. Which might then also be applied to males with special identities. And we can't have that because most marginalised and vulnerable ™.

It was this issue which really brought home to me that main stream media will blatantly lie and throw women under the bus in service of the queer agenda. To describe CS (or the other athletes with DSDs competing in women's sports) as a woman with a high natural testosterone is a bare faced lie which MSM have made again and again. They know, everyone involved knows, that CS is male. They've just decided it's best we not say so. Best for who? Not women, but who gives a shit about them?

Yes, there's very much a party line.