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Afros - in or out?

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TheWorldIsRound · 23/06/2023 08:24

I’m off to see ABBA Voyage next weekend.the venue have sent some information, including the following “Please do not wear so-called ‘Afro’ wigsThese wigs are culturally insensitive and not appropriate to be worn as fancy dress. If any guests are wearing this style of wig they will be respectfully asked to remove them as a condition of entry to the arena.”I had no idea that Afro wigs were considered culturally insensitive. For my 30th birthday I had a 70s themed party and wore an afro wig (it was the same colour as my own hair - gingery brown - not black, if that makes any difference). Did I mess up?Do others agree with the venue’s views - particularly anyone who may have their own natural afro (or potential to to grow one). Is it really regarded as akin to “black face”?Obviously if something causes widespread offence, I would not dream of doing it, but all I thought I was doing was paying tribute to one of the ultimate symbols of iconic 70s style.Can people only pay tribute to their own cultural grouping and to move outside of that is manifestly offensive ?YABU: everyone knows afro wigs are deeply offensive YANBU: it’s hyper-sensitivity on the part of the venue

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IDontWantToBeAPie · 23/06/2023 16:25

I suppose wearing someone's natural hair texture as a 'silly' costume is quite rude.

YoungerYears · 23/06/2023 16:16

Simianwalk · 23/06/2023 08:48

Nah they're really not. Only if they are using an unnecessary stereotype. It was always people that go on about how easily offended people are that are the most touchy and froth up at everything.
"Oh no I can't say Christmas" "yes you can" 'no, I read it in the Daily Mail/Mirror it's true .."

Agree with every word of this.

bonfirebash · 23/06/2023 16:14

Yeah it's inappropriate
My experiences are not the same but I've been told my natural hair is messy/frizzy/needs sorting, people ask to touch it, my uncle wears his cropped after comments when he was younger about it (he has very tight coils) and so did my cousin
I have to pay extra for a specialist hairdresser and bizarrely it's not a requirement for hairdressers to study/train in curly or coily hair so most of them can't cut it Angry

AngelasAirpods · 23/06/2023 16:09

SocksAndTheCity · 23/06/2023 13:07

No, the venue is purpose built for the ABBA Voyage show.

I have a ticket too and received the same email - I was amazed anybody would need to be told, tbh.

Got it and yes agreed! Thank you

Inc0gn1to · 23/06/2023 14:33

I completely agree that Afro hair should not be mocked or appropriated.

I'm a bit confused about the extent of the ban though. Will it be all curly wigs of all colours?! It seems a bit insulting to those of Afro-Caribbean heritage to suggest those coloured nylon things have anything to do with their hair.

Also if you Google 'Anni-Frid curly hair' are any of those hairstyles not appropriate? What if you honestly want to look like a member of Abba? It is just mimicking actual Afro hair that is a problem?

(Not being goady, genuinely want to understand the rules and hear the thoughts of those with Afro hair.)

Sweetsweetlike1 · 23/06/2023 13:32

Sorry missed out a word in my previous post...meant to say...some styles or appropriation are done as 'ridicule', and others it's been for 'acceptance'

Sweetsweetlike1 · 23/06/2023 13:29

PTSDBarbiegirl · 23/06/2023 12:25

Is it culturally insensitive for black people to wear straight hair wigs in blonde, red or any colour other than black? I see your point about bubble perms on white people's heads but why is it seen as acceptable for ethnic minorities or any other group to dictate what another ethnic group or community can/can't wear. I don't care if black people wear their hair in an afro or have a straight wig on but please feck off telling others what is 'appropriate' to wear.

I don't know that in any part of history 'non black people' have had to blacken their appearance or make their hair 'more afro' in order to gain acceptance. But many black people have had to change their appearance to gain acceptance.
Some of these styles have been done as, some for gaining acceptance and a whole bunch of other reasons probably. So it's not all black and white as your trying to make it

LondonPete · 23/06/2023 13:24

I have an afro and they don't offend me.

EbonyRaven · 23/06/2023 13:09
Hmm
SocksAndTheCity · 23/06/2023 13:07

AngelasAirpods · 23/06/2023 10:10

Does this venue ever feature drag shows which many think are “woman face” and an offensive parody of women too.

What about those fancy dress “Scottish” ginger hair attached to a tartan hat? Are they allowed?

Or “Irish” leprechaun giant green hats?

No, the venue is purpose built for the ABBA Voyage show.

I have a ticket too and received the same email - I was amazed anybody would need to be told, tbh.

Comedycook · 23/06/2023 13:02

They are still financially abused today

What do you mean?

PTSDBarbiegirl · 23/06/2023 12:51

RudsyFarmer · 23/06/2023 11:15

The argument about black women straightening their hair or wearing wigs is such a tired one. There’s so much involved in caring for 4a,b,c hair types. My curl type is a 3 something and it’s a massive pain in the arse. It takes t i m e.

Yes hair is hair and hair is fashion but hair styles are also steeped in history and when you’ve been persecuted for genetics I can understand the sensitivities that come with that. It doesn’t take much to show respect and these guidelines are an attempt to do just that.

Welsh & Irish, then Scots were the first to be enslaved by wealthy English and discriminated against then starved and shipped off their land to the 'New World' against their will. They are still financially abused today, so if redheads have a variation in texture of hair does that render black, Asian, Indian people wearing red straight or frizzy wigs racist?
How would you describe men who wear false breasts, heavy exaggerated make up and present a highly sexualised persona that is supposed to ridicule women? Is that okay or is it like your afro hair analogy, is it misogynistic? Which one is OK, or is it only a small, non diverse group of people who decide what is appropriate?

BodegaSushi · 23/06/2023 12:26

OP tried to be goady. Awww.

Comedycook · 23/06/2023 12:26

PTSDBarbiegirl · 23/06/2023 12:25

Is it culturally insensitive for black people to wear straight hair wigs in blonde, red or any colour other than black? I see your point about bubble perms on white people's heads but why is it seen as acceptable for ethnic minorities or any other group to dictate what another ethnic group or community can/can't wear. I don't care if black people wear their hair in an afro or have a straight wig on but please feck off telling others what is 'appropriate' to wear.

Another poster who thinks this is a gotcha point. Do you wonder why there's no white history month too?

PTSDBarbiegirl · 23/06/2023 12:25

Is it culturally insensitive for black people to wear straight hair wigs in blonde, red or any colour other than black? I see your point about bubble perms on white people's heads but why is it seen as acceptable for ethnic minorities or any other group to dictate what another ethnic group or community can/can't wear. I don't care if black people wear their hair in an afro or have a straight wig on but please feck off telling others what is 'appropriate' to wear.

KarensManager · 23/06/2023 12:17

SoccerStars · 23/06/2023 11:52

yep, I’ve noticed my mixed race friends who mainly have more loose curls (3A/3B) have a very different experience than me who has 4c hair.

Yep, mixed race loose curls is what's generally sought after in the Black community. That's usually when your hair texture and curl pattern is seen as good. Thankfully, people are understanding more about the curlier hair texture (especially 4c) and now know that it isn't the equivalent of a dry, damaged mixed race curl pattern. It just is what it is - afro-textured hair.

Mrsjayy · 23/06/2023 11:59

SoccerStars · 23/06/2023 11:55

Exactly! And she seemed surprised and slightly sulky when I said no and she had to shuffle back to her desk with the whole office looking on haha 😂

I actually reported it to HR when I was leaving as part of a long list of incidents that I experienced in that office.

How very dare you say no eh .

Avondale89 · 23/06/2023 11:56

Are you genuinely as stupid as this post makes you look?

SoccerStars · 23/06/2023 11:55

Mrsjayy · 23/06/2023 11:52

What is wrong with people you are not some exotic "creature " to stroke I mean I can't imagine some random lurching towards me to stroke me 😂

Exactly! And she seemed surprised and slightly sulky when I said no and she had to shuffle back to her desk with the whole office looking on haha 😂

I actually reported it to HR when I was leaving as part of a long list of incidents that I experienced in that office.

Mrsjayy · 23/06/2023 11:52

SoccerStars · 23/06/2023 11:49

I’m not sure 😂 but it’s something I and many other people with Afro textured hair experience! I’ve heard of many who haven’t been asked and all of a sudden they’ve just felt the hand of a random stranger /colleague /classmate in their hair.

I’m guessing it’s curiosity? But it’s not something I’d be comfortable with someone I barely know doing.

What is wrong with people you are not some exotic "creature " to stroke I mean I can't imagine some random lurching towards me to stroke me 😂

SoccerStars · 23/06/2023 11:52

KarensManager · 23/06/2023 11:22

Afro is more than just a hairstyle - it's a hair texture and this is the main thing that has been discriminated against.

It's why people can have their "afro" perms and black-inspired braids and still be admired for it. But once those styles come in that hair texture (4c mainly but all the 4s as well), then it seems you're not taking care of yourself well enough to manipulate your ('dry, damaged, ugly') hair texture.

It's been so ingrained that even black people say it to other black people.

Hence, the scramble for 'good hair' (texture, not necessarily style).

yep, I’ve noticed my mixed race friends who mainly have more loose curls (3A/3B) have a very different experience than me who has 4c hair.

SoccerStars · 23/06/2023 11:49

Mrsjayy · 23/06/2023 10:12

Oh my god 😳 why would she want to touch your hair ?

I’m not sure 😂 but it’s something I and many other people with Afro textured hair experience! I’ve heard of many who haven’t been asked and all of a sudden they’ve just felt the hand of a random stranger /colleague /classmate in their hair.

I’m guessing it’s curiosity? But it’s not something I’d be comfortable with someone I barely know doing.

KarensManager · 23/06/2023 11:25

Erm.. my mother is white? Sorry. Wrong. My mother is also mixed.

My apologies. I assumed from your post as it wasn't clear. It's why I also stated it as an assumption. Fair enough, you have your opinion which differs a bit from mine.

KarensManager · 23/06/2023 11:22

Afro is more than just a hairstyle - it's a hair texture and this is the main thing that has been discriminated against.

It's why people can have their "afro" perms and black-inspired braids and still be admired for it. But once those styles come in that hair texture (4c mainly but all the 4s as well), then it seems you're not taking care of yourself well enough to manipulate your ('dry, damaged, ugly') hair texture.

It's been so ingrained that even black people say it to other black people.

Hence, the scramble for 'good hair' (texture, not necessarily style).

Mommyofvikings · 23/06/2023 11:18

KarensManager · 23/06/2023 10:47

Why would anyone be offended by you straightening your hair when the half side of you has straight hair (I assume your mum does, as a white woman)?

Erm.. my mother is white? Sorry. Wrong. My mother is also mixed.

My point is its hair. To the people saying to me that I won't have faced discrimination because of my hair, again, wrong. However, because someone told me to tie that mess back so the person behind me could see doesn't mean that I should be offended if I see someone wearing an afro wig. Whatever colour skin they have.