Do some news items make you think that humanity is irredeemable? ***warning - upsetting subject, related to treatment of monkeys***

There are 2 thing I cannot abide -

child abuse and animal abuse. I can't imagine what kind of depraved, disgusting, evil bastards could do either, and I would quite happily kill someone who does. I saw the headlines on the news about the baby monkey story, and I had to change channel. Things like that honestly keep me awake at night.

And yet many of you eat meat.

You don't need to, you're just in the habit.
Your enjoyment of meat means millions of animals a year are reared and killed.

Everyone who says the people doing this/watching it are not human - they are absolutely 100% human. Only humans are capable of depravity and cruelty on this scale. By 'othering' these people all you do is make yourself feel a bit better, and excuse the human race from any collective responsibility. All of these people are part of our wider society, we need much stronger laws to tackle this, which is a collective action we can take in our corner of the world. Did anyone in this thread write to their tory MP to complain that they voted down the bill to strengthen animal rights in the UK?

No. I thought the exact same. That’s why baby monkeys have been chosen instead of kittens or rats or guinea pigs or whatever. They enjoy seeing the baby monkeys tortured because they’re so human-like. And the investigating officers said how much the behaviour of the group reminded them of the behaviour of child abuse gangs.

What a strange comment. I very much doubt OP is watching the actual videos. The report on the investigation into this is one of the BBC’s top headlines today.

This is so upsetting. I am so glad the BBC revealed it and showed the people getting arrested. Horrific.

I saw the news article on BBC Breakfast this morning, they gave a warning but I don’t think it was enough of one. It’s affected me all day.

I think what has made this worse than any other awful animal cruelty story for me, is that there’s something so baby/toddler like about the monkeys and it made me think that these people are probably doing this because it’s more accessible than child abuse images. Am I the only one thinking that?

I made the mistake of reading the bbc report…. It’s….horrifying tbh.

I really feel for the people who had to investigate this

Yes I feel the same 😭

🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮Have seen no headline but just knowing make me feel sick.

I absolutely think the human race should die out.

Well, let’s face it, that’s the way the human race is headed.

My husband keeps asking what's wrong but he hasn't read the story and I genuinely don't want to put this on him.

I read the full story on BBC at lunch today. It's just horrific and I felt sick. :( those poor poor monkeys. It's stuck in my brain right now and I feel so sad and uneasy about it.

I could only read a small part of it and even then it stayed with me all day. I can’t handle animal abuse stories, I can’t comprehend how anyone could get enjoyment from watching something like that. The baby monkeys are quite baby human looking, it makes you wonder where people who get kicks out of seeing these videos would stop. I don’t know what these people are but they just can’t be human. My brain won’t let me accept that.

Ok you first🙄

As a species humans can be awful and I often think all the other animals in this world would be better off without us.

How an individual can enjoy inflicting such pain on an animal I will never understand. I also applaud the people who bring them to justice as I found it disturbing to listen to let alone see it first hand.

What you described was horrific but as above, I do try to believe there's more good than bad in the world, but your heart could break on a daily basis

You can't 100% accurately identify them but there are certain traits that act as markers of those to avoid e.g., using Telegram, being proudly right wing, etc.

I mean just look at Telegrams response to this compared to the other media platforms involved. Facebook, YouTube etc made the usual statements of this content has no place on their plaforms / we're working hard to remove this content, which while not great at least tows the line of trying to stop unacceptable content.

Telegram on the other hand said they were "committed to protecting user privacy and human rights such as freedom of speech and cannot proactively patrol private groups".

So yeah, anyone who uses telegram should be given a wide bearth.

And, if enough people will make it financially viable to do that, I know what I think would be next (but I can't bring myself to type it.)

People already pay money to watch videos of people, inc children, being abused.

If it's abhorrent and exists, someone is making money from it.

The monkey segment on BBC breakfast today made me cry.

Who is watching them?

If you get upset by these horror stories of cruelty there are some feel good ones here as an antidote -

www.goodnewsnetwork.org/category/news/animals/

I read enough without trying to…. saw a paragraph beneath a photo and that was too much. Such wanton cruelty and enjoyment of torture.

If I was queen of the world, those responsible for supply and demand would replace all lab animals used for research to give the waste of organic matter they are some purpose.

It’s hard to believe people are capable of enormous love, care and compassion yet in the mix are such undermench, such vile beings capable of cruelty most of us could not and would not even think of.

I’m afraid I have to agree. I’m glad I don’t have children. Not because I wouldn’t love them dearly and strive to shape them into forces for good in the world. But because I would have zero control over what my great great great grandchildren would turn out like, and here would obviously be regression towards the rather ugly mean.