Do some news items make you think that humanity is irredeemable? ***warning - upsetting subject, related to treatment of monkeys***

I'm so horrified by this that I can't read or watch it on the news. I haven't read the thread but couldn't pass over it without saying it's absolutely appalling on every level and my heart breaks for those poor creatures. What bastards the people who do this and pay to see it are. I thank the BBC for their work exposing these people and hope they're brought to account in this world and the next.

An opinion shared by many of us. So aren't you clever

It is just an opinion though. Other people think the pain caused to animals to eat meat in places like England is just as unnecessary on the whole. People draw the line on different places.

OMG that is something beyond comprehension. Sickening

I fucking loathe humanity

👏🏼

An opinion shared by many of us. So aren't you clever 🙄

Morally, it's completely different.

In your opinion.

I am very shocked by this. I thought social media was regulated for illegal content.

Yes, I'd agree they aren't great either. Joke sentences but we seem to have those across the board.

Not so relevant in the UK but the global pet trade is certainly an issue. Animal cruelty laws in other countries are not good enough. Not sure what can be done, or will be done

Animal cruelty laws in the U.K. aren’t worth the paper they’re written on tbh.

I read a blurb under one of the photos and it made me shout out loud. Just the absolute vileness if it all. What they did was absolutely sick sick sick. Wtf is wrong with them? Why would they want to do this? These are the kind of people who go on to kill people

Not so relevant in the UK but the global pet trade is certainly an issue. Animal cruelty laws in other countries are not good enough. Not sure what can be done, or will be done

NAHALT

Also, there is much larger and more systematic evil going on in the world and always has been. This is horrible but fairly basic and small fry in comparison.

@SheIIy i do acknowledge that there is a difference between the monkeys and farming. I guess it's just hard for me to see so many people caring about abuse in one sense, yet contributing to it on a daily basis in another.

@user9630721458 I absolutely agree that the negative impact of farming/animal testing goes far beyond the obvious issue of animal harm. It isn't normal for anyone to be around those things willingly, whether for a job or otherwise. The people harming these poor monkeys should be very severely punished!

It's a valid issue, but it's wrong to divert conversation and using it in this way doesn't convert anyone to veganism

I agree. I was pointing out why some people will point it out.

I don’t see much point to conversation about these monkeys unless anyone is actually doing anything to help. People just want to feel good by saying ‘it’s so sad, I cried’....well yeah. It goes without saying unless your a sick fucker and I doubt anyone d is going to come on here and say ‘I love watching monkeys being abused’.

@user9630721458 I know, I get it. I suppose the difference is some people see animals being hurt for meat is justifiable. I don’t.

I think people want to just say ‘how terrible’ about these poor monkeys because it’s easy. No change to their life required. It’s obvious some people will call them out as it does seem hypocritical.

It's not remotely hypocritical... and regardless, that requires a thread of its own. Mistreatment I'm farming is only vocalised when people speak up about other issues.

It's a valid issue, but it's wrong to divert conversation and using it in this way doesn't convert anyone to veganism

@NaNaNasAndAirGuitars I am a vegetarian. But I think people are upset about the monkeys because they were hurt for entertainment. With meat eating people don't watch it for entertainment. At least I hope not. I now wonder if there is some horrible group out there streaming that kind of content. Farms and abattoirs probably wouldn't allow it though.

I’m actually quite amazed that this news story has finally been picked up by MSM. It’s been openly shown on all social media platforms for many years.

We are the most loathsome species that ever walked this planet. We deserve to die out. The planet will be better for it.

It is known that animal abuse is often a precursor to human abuse. Serial killers Fred West and Ian Brady abused animals in their childhood.

@Soubriquet Thank you. But I can't understand how youtube allowed this to happen. Presumably they started a following there before they moved. How the hell did youtube allow this!

This isn't about eating meat. We've already forgotten the monkeys and gotten absolutely nowhere. The whataboutery makes me understand why people can't stand vegans. It's like nothing else matters... until we solve every issue in farming, any other cruelty is secondary

This is about the monkey news, not farming

The point is though, that everyone is appalled by the treatment of these monkeys obviously, it’s fucking sick, that goes without saying.

But there are animals going through brutal treatment and deaths every day because of farming and people could actually stop some of that by making some changes. They don’t want to because they’d rather do some virtue signalling that actually does nothing about monkeys. That’s because saying ‘oh poor monkeys, I cried for an hour’ and someone else saying ‘well I cried for 2 hours’ means they get to feel like a good person because they’re ‘so upset’ without actually doing anything to help animals suffering.

Now, people can eat what they like, but others will bring it up whether you like it or not because it does seem hypocritical.

@User5000 I think there is hideous cruelty in animal experiments as well. I did read that there is a high incidence of mental health problems amongst both animal lab workers and in abattoirs. That suggests to me that hurting other animals has a damaging effect on humans too. The people who set up this operation with the monkeys are beyond help, I think, and should be imprisoned for actual life or given the death penalty.