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18 year old to pay keep?

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Wereallmadright · 18/06/2023 14:04

My ds is just about to turn 18. He works part time and has just left college. He doesn't want to go to uni yet, as he wants to take a gap year. His plan is to travel and have experiences before going off to university.

When I suggested it's time to start looking for a full time job, or at least one that is more than 12 hours per week, he said that would totally ruin the point of taking a gap year stating he doesn't wish to spend it working. He is due some trust fund money, and I have paid for a holiday for him to give him a foot on the travelling ladder. Originally I was to pay for him and a friend to go, but I stated I'd rather give him the extra money to put towards his travel fund.

I have another son at home, and work full time myself. It's not just the two of us, so I can't be expected to keep throwing money at him to fund his gap year. He has worked since he was 16, so mostly kept himself in his interests such as reading, clothes etc for the past year. This I will praise him for. I obviously pay for all our days out etc. He has not saved anything in the time he has been working however, and with not wishing to work more, am unsure how he plans to travel and party as much as he seems to think he is going to.

He was an only child for a long time, and I always ensured he had unique experiences as a child. Always encouraged him to pursue interests etc, but also tried to show him that he only has these things because his mum works long hours, and works hard to provide for him. He appreciated this until he was around 14. I noticed a change in him from that age. He became a little above himself. I wouldn't say grabby, but definitely expecting.

He has wonderful manners with other people, something people always comment on, but with myself, his brother and my parents, he can sometimes look down upon us almost. I have reprimanded him repeatedly for this, but it never seems to stick.

I have recently approached the subject again regarding working more hours if he's not going straight to university, as he is soon to be an adult, but he just shrugged it off. I now need to approach the subject of him paying keep once he's 18, but I already know the look he will give me like I've crawled out of a drain, and will almost feel guilty for asking.

Am I unreasonable to expect him to pay his way at 18? I know my energy bills and food costs will be so much more with him mostly home all day. With the cost of living sky high, I am already dreading the thought of my next electricity bill with him home using multiple electronics for most of the day.

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Bunbuns3 · 18/06/2023 18:24

Making profits from your children. Classy thing to do. Decent parents just don't do this!

What a ridiculous thing to say. Decent parents do exactly this. It's not making a profit at all. We lost Child benefit when DS turned 18, all the bills are going up, DS brings home more money a month than me, is at home 4 days out of 7 using electricity and gas, has his girlfriend stay over regularly, eats us out of house and home.

Would you say the same thing if it was your parents or sibling or friend staying with you? Would you feed, clothe pay all the bills for them without expecting something in return, even if they were bringing home more money than you? Or would you think that they were CF and ask for a contribution to the household? Why is that situation any different to asking an adult child for the same thing. Exactly how long do you let them continue living with you without contributing. 6 months, 1 year, 2, 10?

Not asking for a contribution just creates entitled kids who have no idea that life costs money, sponging off mum and dad for as long as they can, whilst having lots of money to piss up the wall.

CeliaNorth · 18/06/2023 20:27

I would suggest a gap 6 months of traveling and then back here to work and save for Uni.

How is he going to pay for the travelling if he hasn't worked and saved first?

Bromptotoo · 18/06/2023 19:59

He either contributes something, even a relatively token amount like £200/month, or he finds a bedsit and supports himself entirely.

I do benefits advice for a living. It drives me (and my colleagues) mad where people have adult offspring, usually young men rather than young women, at home on a wage and piXXing it up the wall on the high life while Mum struggles to keep their siblings warm and fed.

Roselilly36 · 18/06/2023 19:42

Our DS’ 22 & 20 pay keep, £150 pmth. They both worth ft, it’s a tiny amount, but if gives them so responsibly and a chance to save for their deposits etc.

TammyJoned · 18/06/2023 19:08

*doesn't respect you and thinks you here just to bank roll him.

TammyJoned · 18/06/2023 19:06

Kindly - if you don't firmly put your foot down now it will continue through Uni.
Don't get me wrong
I helped bath kids through Uni.
Paid their phones and they had a once a month food delivery but after that it was up to them.
It doesn't seem like he really respect the fact that you are now here just to bank roll him

mondaytosunday · 18/06/2023 19:03

I wouldn't ask for rent but I would expect him to work to fund his travelling and pay fur personal expenses. Work full time for six months then travel for a few. That's what most kids on a gap year do - sone just work almost all of it to have money for Uni. A friends son Magee to save £11k! He then travelled around the UK in his own gif a month, mostly camping, then started at uni with a bit of a cushion.
Does your son have a uni lined up?

RaininSummer · 18/06/2023 18:37

Bunbuns... Don't be ridiculous. It's teaching a young adult that life isn't a free ride and household income will have dropped now he is out of education.

Ted27 · 18/06/2023 18:27

@Bunbuns3

Profits? I wish. I'm still paying for his phone and sky sports. He eats like a horse.
He still has around £1300 disposable income which is a heck of a lot more than I have.

Bunbuns3 · 18/06/2023 18:24

Making profits from your children. Classy thing to do. Decent parents just don't do this!

BoohooWoohoo · 18/06/2023 18:20

This was a topic of conversation among my children's friends once A-level exams were over. Your son probably knows what you're going to say but unfortunately adult life 🤷‍♀️

Ted27 · 18/06/2023 18:17

My 18 year old works average of 30 hours a week at Tesco, picking up around £1600 a month.
I don't charge him anything - he contributes £250 a month to the household. He also makes contributions to any weekends away, holidays we have. We have split the cost of his driving lessons. I have just taken redundancy and will be giving him £3k towards a car.
He is very good with his money and saves a lot. He is going to university in September and will carry on working.
He understands money doesn't grow on trees and has a great work ethic.

WonderDays · 18/06/2023 18:05

I would probably choose a token amount and tell him he needs to pay this, I think it’s for a young person’s benefit that they learn life is not free.

Wereallmadright · 18/06/2023 17:55

He was due home at half 4 today, and has stayed out because I told him we needed to do some planning for after college on his return. The whole discussion looks like it will be forced upon him, as he is willing to cooperate.

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RuthW · 18/06/2023 17:51

Gymmum82 · 18/06/2023 14:08

Yanbu. You don’t ask. You tell him. You’re an adult now. So the bank of mum is closed. You finance your own life from now on and that includes paying for your keep. If he doesn’t want to work more that’s ok. He can just pay his keep out of what he earns currently. If that leaves him nothing for travelling and experiences tough tittys lad. Time to work more hours. It’s called being an adult

Exactly this.

Snowtrails · 18/06/2023 17:45

Yes of course he should pay something! And do some cleaning, cooking etc .

BlueKaftan · 18/06/2023 17:41

I would suggest a gap 6 months of traveling and then back here to work and save for Uni.

Dreamlight · 18/06/2023 17:38

My son was told he was either in full time education or working. He chose to work. He's in a care home and does 37.5 hours a week over 3x 12.5 hour shifts. It leaves him plenty of time to socialise, pick up extra shifts if he wants to. He pays his own mobile bill, driving lessons, clothes etc.

I read in some financial thing or other that your take home pay should be split 50% Bills, 30% social, 20% saving. It seemed a really sensible way to split your money and one I've adopted myself! DS gives us 25% of his basic take home pay, 25% to driving lessons, phone etc, the rest as above. Anything he earns in excess of basic pay is his to keep and we suggested that he save at least 50% of that. It works really well for him and he does not bridge paying is as he knows how much everything costs.

Nothing much has changed for him, other than he gives us some of his pay.

Absolem76 · 18/06/2023 16:47

Incidentally I am as far from privileged as anyone could be!

Absolem76 · 18/06/2023 16:43

I wouldn't charge him keep for his gap year but I would expect him to fund his travelling himself.
I have never charged my children keep, it just doesn't fit right with me But neither did I fund their nights out, travel, clothes etc .

Sarfar45 · 18/06/2023 16:26

At 18 I expected my dd to cover her own phone, gym and social life. She also gave us £100 a month she was working around 25 per week. If he wants to go travelling he should work for 6months and save up.

Wereallmadright · 18/06/2023 15:47

@lanthanum

He's applying post A-Levels.

He just seems to be so chilled and laidback about it all at the moment. While I try to gently prepare him, he seems to think I'm nagging and being dramatic.

He really seems oblivious to the cost of things, clearly has done no research into travel costs etc. When I ask him to elaborate on how he plans to travel on 12 hours a week, he gets cross.

Unfortunately I do feel like he thinks either I will fund him, or he'll discover a money tree hanging out of thin air. His sheer reluctance to listen and take things onboard is frustrating. Perhaps he'll have to learn a harder way if he's not willing to listen to others.

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lanthanum · 18/06/2023 15:37

Plenty of people take a self-funding gap-year by getting a full-time job for six months and then going travelling on the proceeds. (I have family members who actually continued alternating between the two for several years - apparently supermarket night shifts worked particularly well as they stopped them having a social life, so they saved better.) You only get to spend the whole year travelling if you've already saved or have parents who can easily afford it.

You'll presumably be losing child benefit for him, and if you're currently the only adult in the household, the council tax discount will go in November. So you don't need to feel guilty about asking for a contribution - it is assumed that at 18 he will be doing so - at the very least you need those covering, and as you say, living costs could go up if he's at home all the time.

Setting out a plan is probably wise - maybe you'd settle for covering the child benefit/council tax amounts to start with, but with clear warning of when you will start expecting more.

Has he applied for uni this year, or is he going to apply post A-levels?

Wereallmadright · 18/06/2023 15:26

I've always worked mostly full time hours, even when in uni myself I worked mostly full time hours around it. The thought of him only working 12 hours a week and expect a champagne lifestyle doesn't seem to work out in my mind.

I appreciate all of your responses and really helpful tips. Thank you all very much.

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JJ8765 · 18/06/2023 15:23

If you need the contribution then ask for it. If you can manage without it you could charge board but save it for him. My ds is coming back from uni and taking gap year but I’m only expecting him to be home for summers and away for the middle chunk hopefully working in Australia and travelling in Asia. I’d encourage him to research schemes where he can get a work visa abroad or firm up his travel plans and cost it out. It’s much more expensive than it was in my day even using hostels etc. I’d be expecting work fulltime to cover the costs. An alternative is to do voluntary work abroad but then you need your own money to cover costs. If he’s just planning to travel he will need a big trust fund or will find he won’t be away for very long at all. The more growing up he does this year the more he will appreciate university. I expect once his mates go off to uni in September he will get bored if he doesn’t have firm plans. I’m expecting ds to go off around October so won’t charge him over the summer but if October rolls round and he’s still here then I would be charging rent.