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to be irritated by this work email?

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BoldChild · 15/06/2023 19:35

Note: This is a large international company, and I am a very tiny fish in a very large pond, but I’ll still paraphrase to avoid any major identifiers

An email went around our (fully remote) company today by new management and went a little something like this:

”Hello, everyone. As this year has been hard on our business, we have decided to implement the following rule: If you are behind in target, you will have to report to your local office and attend the office for a minimum of 4 days. This is so your manager can oversee your daily work and ensure you are doing your job. Your manager will track every phone call and email, and how many clients/customers you reach out to. You will continue to report to the office until your numbers to pick up.

Failure to meet targets will result in an immediate requirement to report to the office. This is non-optional, and everyone must comply. We will not accept any excuses.”

NOW… I am totally on board with the whole “if you’re not doing what you’re supposed to be doing, there’s an issue there” but the nature of the email really just irks me.

It reminds me of being back in school, with a teacher threatening to sit beside you to make sure you’ve done your maths instead of talking to your friends. Like if employees do not show up the office, they’ll call our parents.

Am I being unreasonable to feel this is very condescending? And unfair to those who may be struggling due to reasons that aren’t their fault (mental health, illness, personal issues, etc)? These people will be called out in front of their entire team and marched into the offices against their will, and it just seems totally unfair to do to someone instead of handling any issues privately.

I’m honestly considering handing in my notice

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novalia89 · 12/10/2023 17:58

EyelessArseFace · 15/06/2023 19:46

Seems that maybe they've discovered that some employees are royally taking the piss, and this is aimed as a warning to them to pull their socks up or else.

If it doesn't apply to you, ignore it.

I agree. I think the people who are saying it is outrageous are completely oblivious to how much people take the piss with remote working. Taking the afternoon off, taking 3 hour lunches, taking a week to do a task that should only taken an afternoon etc. not everyone is motivated at their job and works effectively.
If it doesn’t apply to you, ignore.

Daffidale · 17/06/2023 13:43

I agree the tone and policy is patronising and a poor response to performance issues. BUT for company wide comms from a large, international company I don’t find that all that surprising. I’d be looking now at how your local manager actually handle it and what their attitude is like. I wouldn’t be out the door just because some corporate lackey possibly thousands of miles away is bad at empathy.

HidingUnderARock · 17/06/2023 13:36

Cynical hat on:
They want people to leave so they can get all new employees on a contract which hasn't forgotten to reserve the right to require full time onsite attendance.

Angelofthenortheast · 16/06/2023 12:18

Omg LEAVE! they know who's missing targets, so those people's managers should be dealing with them directly. A single blanket email threat to every employee is a dumb way to solve this problem. The good employees will burn out with anxiety that their figures might drop, and the bad/lazy employees will just quit. So....the company is screwed either way

Crikeyalmighty · 16/06/2023 12:04

@Fourwallsclosingin it's little things like cake in for birthdays or drinks on peoples leaving ( a sore point at the moment I know) - companies that do well and where people stay , especially smaller ones, often have a strong social/team together element to them. That is very hard to maintain purely over the internet. Look at this email for instance. If everyone had been called in as a team for a chat with coffee and lunchtime buffet followed by a discussion on the points, it would not seem nearly as harsh

Fourwallsclosingin · 16/06/2023 11:32

Crikeyalmighty · 16/06/2023 09:26

I think this was always going to be the outcome for poor performers with WFH. The thing is it's not just women utilising it to their advantage and picking kids up or prepping dinner in what would previously have been commute time- which is absolutely fair enough - there are people out there who have set up side businesses (I know of two) and are operating these side by side - some jobs really don't lend themselves to CRM systems. I'm afraid there are always some people who will happily and totally take the piss on someone else's dollar- especially when they don't like the job anyway. I think the problem with WFH 'for some' is they no longer actually 'feel' a part of anything , there's no 'togerthness or social aspect to it' and consequently no longer feel guilt if they do as little as they can get away with or feel any loyalty. It just becomes a series of tasks for a pretty faceless employer.

That's actually a really good point, it seems to alot of people it's literally just a pay check, even many posters here.

MooMooSharoo · 16/06/2023 10:40

We've recently asked someone to come back to the office full time that wasn't performing well at home. Has it gone down well? No.

Difference with us though is that we'd had lots of discussions with him about his performance and had said that returning to the office was a last resort if he didn't pull his socks up. He had a few chances, failed, so was brought in and his work has started to improve.

When it gets to where we want it to be, we may let him go back to working from home but for now he has to earn it.

OP's employer seems to not be managing their staff individually, but as a whole which isn't perhaps unusual in a larger workplace. If they either had more managers or better managers that could address performance issues on an individual basis, the blanket across the board response may not be needed.

cannaecookrisotto · 16/06/2023 10:29

I can see their point and agree that if targets aren't being met then some intervention is required but the email could have been constructed more positively. As in "if your targets aren't being met then you will need to attend the office so support to you can be optimised", or some bollocks along those lines.

They've worded it like you're a bunch of 14 year olds failing on coursework.

Crikeyalmighty · 16/06/2023 09:26

I think this was always going to be the outcome for poor performers with WFH. The thing is it's not just women utilising it to their advantage and picking kids up or prepping dinner in what would previously have been commute time- which is absolutely fair enough - there are people out there who have set up side businesses (I know of two) and are operating these side by side - some jobs really don't lend themselves to CRM systems. I'm afraid there are always some people who will happily and totally take the piss on someone else's dollar- especially when they don't like the job anyway. I think the problem with WFH 'for some' is they no longer actually 'feel' a part of anything , there's no 'togerthness or social aspect to it' and consequently no longer feel guilt if they do as little as they can get away with or feel any loyalty. It just becomes a series of tasks for a pretty faceless employer.

hanahsaunt · 16/06/2023 08:54

Maybe a conversation to form a relationship, find out about rest of life stuff and potential impacts etc is easier in person?

TimesRwo · 16/06/2023 08:51

Nothingisblackandwhite · 16/06/2023 08:48

That’s utter ridiculous and if I was a manager or team leader would nit allow this within my team without a massive fuss . It’s not even that the work is controlled , all they suggest is already possible and I can do that to any of the 10 people on my team ( check their work ) , it’s the way the email was put together . It’s incredibly aggressive . Are they by any chance trying to get people on the office ?

The email was paraphrased by OP. It’s not the actual email…

Nothingisblackandwhite · 16/06/2023 08:48

That’s utter ridiculous and if I was a manager or team leader would nit allow this within my team without a massive fuss . It’s not even that the work is controlled , all they suggest is already possible and I can do that to any of the 10 people on my team ( check their work ) , it’s the way the email was put together . It’s incredibly aggressive . Are they by any chance trying to get people on the office ?

Scalottia · 16/06/2023 08:33

HikerMum · 15/06/2023 19:36

Find another job OP. This company has nothing but pure contempt for its workers

Yep. I agree. I am also in the same boat at the moment, micro managers can kiss my arse. Look for a better job OP. Good luck!

Teriyakieverything · 16/06/2023 08:32

YABU, and should go and find another job if the email irritates you that much. Good luck progressing up the career ladder, I can assure you there is worse sh*t than this the further up you go.

TimesRwo · 16/06/2023 08:29

BoldChild · 16/06/2023 00:04

I won’t post the actual email because I think that’s pushing the bounds of identifiable vs non identifiable

but another example of my paraphrasing is this. In the original email, it stated that “attendance to the office will be mandatory until your superiors are satisfied with your performance”. I dumbed it down, so to speak.

Your dumbing down of the email, which will be influenced by how you feel about it, makes the email look much worse than it is. The original email was much more professional, as you admit. You say the original email will be outing, which also suggests you have paraphrased quite a bit.

So you are definitely making the situation look worse than it actually is for the purposes of getting support on MN.

Flocider · 16/06/2023 07:57

A decent manager would have been able to identify poor performance and not meeting targets and spoken to the person on their team long before it reached the stage of it being such a company wide issue that they had to send a ridiculous email such as this. I don't think it's unreasonable to have some form of monitoring (presumably this happens if they know people are hitting targets?) but to the level they're proposing is a no. Also not unreasonable to expect people to work from the office if its deemed its going to help, but again, surely that's something for the managers to actually manage.

NoPrivateSpy · 16/06/2023 07:52

Some strange replies on this post.

I agree with everything you have said, OP and reckon most of your coworkers will feel the same way.

Definitely time for a new job.

Brefugee · 16/06/2023 07:23

well having seen OPs update about how the mail was actually written: again, meh. It is their company and this may be their way of bucking people up before taking any measures.

And if they have already written about this? then it is clear that it is an issue, no matter how the bosses phrase it. As for "should be discussed one-on-one" meh too. This seems to be a huge issue to the bosses. They may have decided that it's more cost/time-effective to let everyone know (one more time) before having to separate the wheat from the chaff.

If you know it applies to you, and your performance worries you (general "you" for your colleagues, OP, not you personally) you should welcome support
if you know it applies to you and your thought your performance would scrape you by? time to pull your socks up or leave and find a new job
if it doesn't apply to you because your performance is fine? keep calm and carry on. Although I'd be keeping an eye on the company's performance because if they're about to let a load of shitty ones go, their work will be redistributed.

Phoebo · 16/06/2023 04:14

LlynTegid · 15/06/2023 21:50

I support the basis that poor performers should have to work in an office, but think it should follow a private conversation between manager and poor performer, not some general email.

Agree. I find it so odd how so many are outraged on the thread as it's only the poor performers who have has wfh revoked, and rightly so. Am guessing they must also be pisstakers

Sandinmyknickers · 16/06/2023 02:25

Not sure I agree with the posters who think this email is "treating people like children". I actually find it more childish and frustrating when someone's doing a piss poor job but management don't directly tell them that and try and dress it up in a positive, motivational way . There's a guy at my work who is awful and management always skirt around it in this heavy hinting, positive way, offering "support" but he is just far too dense to pick up on the hint and seems to just think "awe that's nice" and then ignore it, rather than realise they are telling him he is shit. I wish management would use a bit of stick rather than just solely carrot, as everyone else in the team are the ones picking up the slack.

BoldChild · 16/06/2023 00:04

TimesRwo · 15/06/2023 22:19

Issue is you’ve paraphrased that email and in a tone that reflects your dissatisfaction with it, so it sounds much worse than it is. I’d be interested to see the original email and how it was written, as I don’t think the underlying message is an issue. If an employee is going to abuse the trust that comes with wfh, then they need to be managed accordingly.

I won’t post the actual email because I think that’s pushing the bounds of identifiable vs non identifiable

but another example of my paraphrasing is this. In the original email, it stated that “attendance to the office will be mandatory until your superiors are satisfied with your performance”. I dumbed it down, so to speak.

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BoldChild · 16/06/2023 00:00

TimesRwo · 15/06/2023 22:19

Issue is you’ve paraphrased that email and in a tone that reflects your dissatisfaction with it, so it sounds much worse than it is. I’d be interested to see the original email and how it was written, as I don’t think the underlying message is an issue. If an employee is going to abuse the trust that comes with wfh, then they need to be managed accordingly.

The extent of the paraphrasing is that I’ve replaced more “corporate language” to regular, everyday language.

For example, original email said it more like “so that your manager can oversee your professional capability within this company” rather than what I said, which was more casual.

Basically I switched “as per my last email” to “I literally said this before”, which is what as per my last email really means 😂😂

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weirdoboelady · 15/06/2023 23:44

TimesRwo · 15/06/2023 22:19

Issue is you’ve paraphrased that email and in a tone that reflects your dissatisfaction with it, so it sounds much worse than it is. I’d be interested to see the original email and how it was written, as I don’t think the underlying message is an issue. If an employee is going to abuse the trust that comes with wfh, then they need to be managed accordingly.

Has she? I thought the email was as written - I know (of) a few employers who are quite capable of sending something as bad as that.

whataboutme77 · 15/06/2023 23:06

Münchner · 15/06/2023 19:51

I'd say they're probably sick of people WFH and therefore doing sweet FA. Sticking a load of laundry while working is obviously fine but but people have been taking the piss massively; Naps, going shopping, having sunbed or gym sessions and claiming that's acceptable under the guise of WFH. I'm on the employer's side

After reading quite a few posters on other threads boasting about this sort of WFH lifestyle I must admit I can't blame employers who are fed up of some employees who take the piss.
Unfortunately it's a case of a few slackers creating a bad atmosphere for everybody, which is a shame for the conscientious workers.

IKnowItsNotMine · 15/06/2023 22:51

Any email like that and I’d be looking for another job.
You can’t reason with idiots.