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Alfie Steele

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Ffswhatsthepoint · 13/06/2023 23:20

I checked there was no other thread before I posted this one. Alfie, 9, killed by mum and her bf. Drowned. A catalogue of abuse and many phone calls to police/ss by neighbours. The neighbours often fed him too. We HAVE to find people accountable in this case. It was reported. People knew. Nothing was done. Absolutely nothing. Its harrowing. I feel like I failed him. And I'm hundreds of miles away.

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Whiskyinajar · 06/02/2024 09:59

breakfastdinnerandtea · 29/01/2024 07:25

I think this is unfair. I know MN hates stepparents but this is a man who had been in prison for 22 years of his life before this happened. This isn't a stepparent problem, this is a violent man problem, a negligent mum problem, and a police not doing enough problem.

It's absolutely a violent man problem. I was brought up by a stepdad who was and is amazing. Always treated us as his own children.

breakfastdinnerandtea · 29/01/2024 07:25

ZoeCM · 26/01/2024 17:07

When I saw the headline about poor Alfie, I knew a step-parent would be involved before I even opened the article. How many more times does this have to happen before people start to realise the dangers of bringing a step-parent into their children's lives?

I think this is unfair. I know MN hates stepparents but this is a man who had been in prison for 22 years of his life before this happened. This isn't a stepparent problem, this is a violent man problem, a negligent mum problem, and a police not doing enough problem.

porridgeisbae · 28/01/2024 23:04

I just read this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-68094466

SS/police were doing things like not even bothering to see him and check he was ok, just taking the abusers' word that he was fine :(

My mum worked in social work so I'm not massively anti-SS, but there were clearly failures here.

Alfie Steele

Alfie Steele: More than 60 calls for help before boy's murder

A safeguarding report highlights a catalogue of missed opportunities before Alfie Steele's death.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-68094466

girlfriend44 · 26/01/2024 20:38

There's always other children in the family yet they pick on one. I presume the other children were adopted safety.

Just what was the point in this female creature having children?

Why do they do it? So cowardly doing this to an innocent child?

Willmafrockfit · 26/01/2024 20:33

case near me all 3 children now safely adopted, hallelujah

TedWilson · 26/01/2024 18:30

I hope they get what's coming to them in prison. Evil bastards. We should be ashamed as a country. Funny you never hear social services reform as a politician pledge do you, it's all stop the boats.

CoffeeAndMinstrels · 26/01/2024 17:36

I seen a situation similar to this child. A mother of 3 young children who is not allowed to have her boyfriend at the house as he’s being investigated for assaulting the mother’s 5 year old boy. Mum finally had the children removed by SS when SS came to check on them and the boyfriend was hiding in the bedroom. Mum constantly lied and had him stay. Another case of a mother putting their own fuck buddy ahead of their own babies.

35965a · 26/01/2024 17:10

NotQuiteNorma · 26/01/2024 14:09

Today we learn that more than 60 phone calls were made by neighbours, relatives and other people concerned about what was happening to this poor little boy. But hey lessons will be learned so that's ok then...

Absolutely horrifying that so many calls were made to police and social services yet this poor boy was still not safe.

ZoeCM · 26/01/2024 17:07

When I saw the headline about poor Alfie, I knew a step-parent would be involved before I even opened the article. How many more times does this have to happen before people start to realise the dangers of bringing a step-parent into their children's lives?

aveline161 · 26/01/2024 16:27

I was thinking more of the police in this case

girlfriend44 · 26/01/2024 15:29

When they said the boyfriend shouldn't stay overnight how can you check on that? They didn't but what was the plan there?
If your going to say this better to have had the child taken away.
They didn't check and how can you anyway?
There was also drug dealing going on there.
I believe there were other children but assume They were taken into care.
Poor Alfies natural father was violent too.
He hasn't said anything
Whys everyone hot to be violent?

Jellycatspyjamas · 26/01/2024 14:59

40% of social workers don’t make it to 5 years post qualification - which has implications throughout the profession. But if it’s so easy, please train and have a go, we need good people.

MrsTerryPratchett · 26/01/2024 14:47

aveline161 · 26/01/2024 12:51

Resurrecting this as it’s on news and first time I’ve read about it, the authorities come across as absolutely fucking pathetic. The old ‘clever parents fooled us’ bullshit- how stupid are you?! The neighbours are telling you they’re trying to drown him and NOTHING IS DONE! Horrifying, they were clearly too scared of this man to bother

Train as a SW. Everyone thinks the job is easy so do it. It's easy, well-paid, well-resourced, not too many cases and you wouldn't be scared or fooled or traumatised.

Go do it. I understand there's a shortage because SWs keep burning out and leaving (weak, pathetic people).

NotQuiteNorma · 26/01/2024 14:09

Today we learn that more than 60 phone calls were made by neighbours, relatives and other people concerned about what was happening to this poor little boy. But hey lessons will be learned so that's ok then...

girlfriend44 · 26/01/2024 14:06

Hold the people accountable who didn't protect him.
It's the only way.
The boyfriend wasnt even meant to be staying there. Nobody checked and he was living there.

The Coward that he was he ran away from the house after the murder and was arrested at Droitwich Station.
Prison to good for them. Poor Alfie.
Some people are too inadequate and Scummy for words.

aveline161 · 26/01/2024 12:51

Resurrecting this as it’s on news and first time I’ve read about it, the authorities come across as absolutely fucking pathetic. The old ‘clever parents fooled us’ bullshit- how stupid are you?! The neighbours are telling you they’re trying to drown him and NOTHING IS DONE! Horrifying, they were clearly too scared of this man to bother

HostaLuago · 18/06/2023 18:02

girlfriend44 · 18/06/2023 15:55

How can anyone be so utterly foul?

He used to threaten the neighbours and threatened to burn their house down, and mind their own business.

He swore in court too
. I think we need some studies into why some people are utterly terrible.

The problem is the bullies, bully everyone, the social workers, the neighbours, the police, everyone appeases these people until the worst happens.

The ammount of unsuitable parents now due to many varying factors means that having social workers deal with these violent people is not enough. Social workers are not hard or street wise enough to prevent or protect vunerable children.

Fire must be met with fire, and specialized forces must be available to deal with the scum that take out their evilness on children, that poor boy must have been terrified every day of his life and no one dared stand up for him.
I'm ashamed in this day and age that children still cannot be protected.
We are failing children.

I am also ashamed that the legal system thinks about the rights of murderers more than they do the victims, the human rights of a child killer is taken into account whilst the child who has been snuffed out is asigned to memory.

I'm sorry but child killers should never be let out of prison they deserve no human rights.

girlfriend44 · 18/06/2023 15:55

How can anyone be so utterly foul?

He used to threaten the neighbours and threatened to burn their house down, and mind their own business.

He swore in court too
. I think we need some studies into why some people are utterly terrible.

Betsybetty · 17/06/2023 20:57

Yes, police officers halved, teachers, nurses going to food banks, sw under immense pressure, strikes... Yet people vote tory... Next time a child is tortured to death, a little bit of society also need to look themselves in the mirror...

WilkinsonM · 17/06/2023 20:01

chaosmaker · 17/06/2023 18:02

I'm sure people wouldn't mind high taxes if they could see that they were being spent where they were needed rather than the government spaffing it all away on lining their mates' pockets.

People vote Tory over and over. People want lower public spending and yet also somehow to protect and safeguard children. It doesn't add up, but that's what the people want.

PumpkinPie2016 · 17/06/2023 18:32

It's utterly tragic and completely wrong that this should ever happen to any child 😢😢😢

There are sadly, so many cases like this - Baby P, Victoria Climbe, Alfie Steele to name just three.

While it absolutely should be the case that every single call is answered, I'm not sure people realise how very over stretched services are. I am absolutely not saying it is right, just stating a fact.

To give an example, I grew up in a medium sized town. In the 80s and 90s, my father was a police officer. In those days, the divisional HQ in the town centre paraded on shift with 18 officers. There were then two smaller stations, each parading on with 4 each and one tiny one in the rural parts that had 2, or a desk sergeant plus 1. So, each shift had 28 officers.

Now, the smaller stations gone and HQ parade on with just 9 officers per shift!

The deputy head at the school where I teach told me that local SS are desperately overstretched and this is in an area of high deprivation where they are absolutely needed.

As schools, we are stretched and trying to plug whatever gaps we can, often with limited success. I have a child in my form who have a child who is severely disabled. There is no neglect but they could desperately use more support, except there is no capacity.

Ambulances are the same - an elderly person my mum.cares for fell, cut head, suspected broken hip. Should be a priority call, except it took 5 hours for an ambulance because all were tied up on jobs.

We so desperately need more social workers, police, school staff etc 😥 to be able to get to every single call quickly.

Cases like this absolutely should not happen under any circumstances, but I do think it's important to realise that it isn't always the services at fault.

chaosmaker · 17/06/2023 18:02

I'm sure people wouldn't mind high taxes if they could see that they were being spent where they were needed rather than the government spaffing it all away on lining their mates' pockets.

chaosmaker · 17/06/2023 17:59

WilkinsonM · 17/06/2023 15:04

We need to do better as a society, and that includes social workers but it also includes the government funding services properly and addressing poverty, the housing crisis etc...it's a huge undertaking and the whole social system needs to do better.

Decriminalising abortion would also help, as would parents estranged from their children by new partners being completely supported to get sole custody of their children. In a few cases the other parent/wider family had no idea what was actually happening to the child due to control being applied by the new partner and finding it virtually impossible to see their child alone.

Safeguarding is rightly the job of everyone but the reports need to have enough staff across all the various bodies to actually be able to safeguard those who are vulnerable and need protection.

Jellycatspyjamas · 17/06/2023 15:32

I know you're under pressure, but you need to verbalise the pressure and we as a society need to get to the bottom of this and try to save every single one. Surely you'd agree....

Every time there’s a high profile child death these threads pop up and every single time folk as what is needed. There are countless posts on this thread alone clearly explaining what would help, while also acknowledging that what is needed is unpalatable in terms of cost.

There’s no magic wand here - well resourced services from social work, to education, health, police, family support services, a decent income to people in poverty, access to good quality therapy to support people with issues around trauma. These things would actually make a difference - the issues are systemic and so are the solutions.

And even with all those things in place there will still sadly be children who die at the hands of their parents or carers, because of the lengths people will go to to hide from services, if someone really wants to hurt someone else - adult or child - there are limits to how far we can go to stop them.