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Hawkins0001 · 10/06/2023 20:38

For anyone that has knowledge or has studied at Cambridge, How accurate is this perspective:

"#Camfession36372

As a second-year mathmo who has consistently done well throughout the past two years (predicted firsts in every single course, never late for lectures or example sheet submissions, revised courses thoroughly and did more years of past papers than the guideline recommends…), I feel that every paper I sit this term is telling me that for this course, hard work simply doesn’t pay off. Yes you need to work 50+ hrs weekly to even have a chance of scraping 2.1 (many people above median ranking last year got less than 65% on transcript, for example, which is unfair compared to some other courses) yet the exam questions won’t even ask any bookwork without a twist incorporating some ingenious trick that you need to pull out of thin air (I am not talking about STEP-style tricks, I am talking about multi-step, algebraically messy and strategically olympiad-style tricks that aren’t even given hints about). I came here to try to become the best mathematician I can be, but this course proves to be nothing but an ego-deflating, despair-inducing feast of condensed miseries glorified in the name of intellectual training. They will never acknowledge the fact the most of us in the cohort are simply unsuitable for the course and exams they have designed, and because we are no senior wranglers or potential field medallists, the sacrifice of our mental health is perfectly justified in the grand scheme of pursuing so called academic rigour. I loved and loved and loved maths. Now I just want to run away from it and learn how to feel (if only occasionally) happy again."

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Hawkins0001 · 10/06/2023 20:57

JennyMule · 10/06/2023 20:45

Sounds pretty accurate in terms of recent experience on the part of a Cantab maths graduate I know - the majority appear to get drawn into competitive overworking and undersleeping which staff appear to so little or nothing to address. Not maths related, but in a science, a Prof. I know at Cambridge told me that their students are super intelligent - way better grades than her at A levels - but mostly hyper anxious and with limited life skills. 8 WK terms exacerbate the issue as they pack same amount into less time. If I recall correctly students are also told that it is forbidden to get paid work (obviously uni has no power to forbid but demonstrates the intensity.)

Much appreciated for your perspective

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Curioushorse · 10/06/2023 20:56

This is pretty much what my brother said. He said they would all work their guts out, for the vast majority of them to be able to access around 20% of the questions.

He was a bit more prosaic about it though, in that he said there were students they who were so phenomenally gifted that scale was necessary.

TeenDivided · 10/06/2023 20:56

Maths at cambridge was tough. I should have done computer science instead. I got completely lost in my second year and only survived the 3rd year by choosing courses that didn't build so much on previous years.
I suspect things have only got tougher in the last 40 years too.

Hawkins0001 · 10/06/2023 20:56

Augend23 · 10/06/2023 20:49

Maths is a Hard degree, especially at Cambridge. That's a pretty negative spin.

I did Natural Sciences. I'd got top marks (100% or close to) in every single one of my 5 A levels (all the sciences, double maths). I got there, and no matter how much work I did, I couldn't get myself to a point where I was going to do well at the physics exams. I worked 80 hours a week, did or attempted properly all the questions we were set, attended every lecture, every supervision (bar one, where I was crying too hard to see never mind perform), did every past paper for the last 20 years and still got a third (in that part of first year). The rest of my marks were such I got a high 2:2 in first year.

Maths in first year (nat sci maths not mathmo maths) was taught by people who loved researching maths, not who loved teaching it. The teaching was often (to me) opaque, and I was someone who taught myself pretty much the whole of KS3 and 4 maths from the textbook.

I switched rapidly away from mathematically based subjects (having arrived planning to be a physicist), and had stressful but manageable 2nd and 3rd years.

Don't get me wrong, I still worked 55? hours a week, at least, in those years, and it was still mad busy and really really hard, and the stress made me ill, but I did also have a great time while all the above applied.

I learnt loads, I rowed, got involved with loads of college stuff, had great friends. The amount a crammed into my brain astonishes me. I have something to look back on that was so hard it still to this day reassures me that no matter what I will prevail (and I've done some pretty hard stuff since then).

I still genuinely don't know, looking back and knowing what I know now, if I would go back and do it again.

Much appreciated for your perspective

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Hawkins0001 · 10/06/2023 20:52

SnapPop · 10/06/2023 20:51

I was at Cambridge (not maths but a STEM subject) 30 years ago, and it wasn't like that at all. But the undergraduate I know there at the moment (friend's son, studying law) does describe it pretty much like this. It's sad.

Much appreciated for your perspective

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SnapPop · 10/06/2023 20:51

I was at Cambridge (not maths but a STEM subject) 30 years ago, and it wasn't like that at all. But the undergraduate I know there at the moment (friend's son, studying law) does describe it pretty much like this. It's sad.

Augend23 · 10/06/2023 20:49

Maths is a Hard degree, especially at Cambridge. That's a pretty negative spin.

I did Natural Sciences. I'd got top marks (100% or close to) in every single one of my 5 A levels (all the sciences, double maths). I got there, and no matter how much work I did, I couldn't get myself to a point where I was going to do well at the physics exams. I worked 80 hours a week, did or attempted properly all the questions we were set, attended every lecture, every supervision (bar one, where I was crying too hard to see never mind perform), did every past paper for the last 20 years and still got a third (in that part of first year). The rest of my marks were such I got a high 2:2 in first year.

Maths in first year (nat sci maths not mathmo maths) was taught by people who loved researching maths, not who loved teaching it. The teaching was often (to me) opaque, and I was someone who taught myself pretty much the whole of KS3 and 4 maths from the textbook.

I switched rapidly away from mathematically based subjects (having arrived planning to be a physicist), and had stressful but manageable 2nd and 3rd years.

Don't get me wrong, I still worked 55? hours a week, at least, in those years, and it was still mad busy and really really hard, and the stress made me ill, but I did also have a great time while all the above applied.

I learnt loads, I rowed, got involved with loads of college stuff, had great friends. The amount a crammed into my brain astonishes me. I have something to look back on that was so hard it still to this day reassures me that no matter what I will prevail (and I've done some pretty hard stuff since then).

I still genuinely don't know, looking back and knowing what I know now, if I would go back and do it again.

OfficerPastiche · 10/06/2023 20:48

Not Cambridge, but I find that post very sad.
You have people like this Fields medallist Jung Huh who was not the 'quickest'
Mathematics is at the highest level is art
Creativity needs space to thrive. No good comes of being squashed and pressured like this

Hawkins0001 · 10/06/2023 20:45

SensitiveB · 10/06/2023 20:43

This sounds quite course- specific as I didn’t work anything like these hours for a different degree . I got a 2:1 more easily than this from enjoying my subject whilst doing a lot of other things too.

It would probably be more helpful to ask a fairly recent maths student , too

Fair points, much appreciated

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JennyMule · 10/06/2023 20:45

Sounds pretty accurate in terms of recent experience on the part of a Cantab maths graduate I know - the majority appear to get drawn into competitive overworking and undersleeping which staff appear to so little or nothing to address. Not maths related, but in a science, a Prof. I know at Cambridge told me that their students are super intelligent - way better grades than her at A levels - but mostly hyper anxious and with limited life skills. 8 WK terms exacerbate the issue as they pack same amount into less time. If I recall correctly students are also told that it is forbidden to get paid work (obviously uni has no power to forbid but demonstrates the intensity.)

SensitiveB · 10/06/2023 20:43

This sounds quite course- specific as I didn’t work anything like these hours for a different degree . I got a 2:1 more easily than this from enjoying my subject whilst doing a lot of other things too.

It would probably be more helpful to ask a fairly recent maths student , too