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Leaving out dds bully

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dozydoo · 06/06/2023 15:00

It's dds (6) 7th birthday next month,
we've had her party booked for a while, she's in a class of 20, and we can only invite 25 kids to the party, my issue is that there's a child in her class who is awful to her.

I've tried to speak to her dm about how she is with my dd, but she's very dismissive and doesn't see that her dd does anything wrong, her dd has also been horrible to quite a few other children in class. The teachers are involved and she has been told she is to stay away from all three of my children at that school, and is on report card for her behaviour, including being rude and disrespectful and lashing out at children and teachers. (There is definitely no sen)

Now my predicament is that dd is adamant she doesn't want said child there, if I'm honest, I really don't want her there either, but can I really be the mum who leaves out one child?

OP posts:
AnalLysis · 06/06/2023 17:20

@dozydoo look at this way. If being a people pleaser causes you this much stress, wouldn’t you rather set an assertive example to your DD so she can learn to avoid this sort of situation in future? My mum was a people pleaser and it meant I had no backbone growing up. I have one now that I have DC!

Megifer · 06/06/2023 17:20

SerafinasGoose · 06/06/2023 17:17

I did not say OP should force her child to invite the bully.

Fair comment, ignore that part of my post.

Opaque11 · 06/06/2023 17:20

DressDilemma · 06/06/2023 15:56

This sounds unkind. A six year old is still learning and developing and is still really young. You shouldn't be bullying her back as an adult by excluding just her from a whole class party. Either include her as well or invite no more than 2/3rds of the class.

So ignore the birthday child's wishes and spoil her birthday then 🙄

HorribleNecktie · 06/06/2023 17:19

Don’t invite her.

Opaque11 · 06/06/2023 17:18

CwmYoy · 06/06/2023 15:22

Leave her out. She needs to learn that actions have consequences.

I would do this and wouldn't even feel a bit bad. Anyone who bullies my child, I could care less.

Madamecastafiore · 06/06/2023 17:18

No way would she be getting an invite. Why would you make a child, especially a girl, invite someone who made her feel unsafe to her birthday celebration. Here we are asking the world to listen to us as adult women that we should be allowed safe spaces from those who we feel threatened by and yet it's ok when it's a small child. It's her birthday, she should be able to enjoy it and feel safe and happy. The fall out from not inviting her is her parents responsibility, not yours.

Againstmachine · 06/06/2023 17:18

It's pretty sick and disgusting to expect your child to have to put up with a bully on their birthday.

Whatever way you do it don't invite the bully.

SerafinasGoose · 06/06/2023 17:17

Megifer · 06/06/2023 17:13

So if 6 is too young to understand actions = consequences then ops DD is also too young to understand why mummy is forcing her to invite a child who is making her unhappy or making her change who she invites surely?

I'd rather upset a bully than my own child tbh.

I did not say OP should force her child to invite the bully.

dozydoo · 06/06/2023 17:17

Thank you everyone, I'm such a people pleaser this is really causing me a lot of stress and anxiety, but the party was organised and paid for before the most recent incidents happened in which she has been vile to dd, or we just would have had a little party in the garden or something of the like.

the other child is 7, my dd is the youngest in the class and the other child is well aware of what she is doing, she told the teacher she likes to see other children cry, it's not just my dd who she has been bullying, she has thrown things (pencils, scissors etc) at children and the teachers, and some of the things she says are just awful!

Her parents are the same as she is, they're both very rude and treat people horribly, so they don't see anything wrong in what she does, which is obviously where she gets it from, which is very sad.

It's usual at our school for the invites to be handed to a ta, who then discreetly puts them in book bags of the children invited, it's not unusual for the children to only invite who they want, but also not unusual for a full class to be invited either, but as it goes, dd does play with everyone else in her year group apart from this one child, and I really don't want to not invite any of her lovely friends to cap the numbers, when dd really wants them there.

OP posts:
SplendidUtterly · 06/06/2023 17:16

Don't invite her.

changeyerheadworzel · 06/06/2023 17:15

The teachers are involved and she has been told she is to stay away from all three of my children at that school

Bully girl has been told to stay away from all 3 of your children, why on earth would you invite her to your child's party. Don't so it.

This WILL hurt but she will learn and so will her bloody dismissive mother. There is a clear message in it.

mumtroubles · 06/06/2023 17:15

I wouldn’t invite the girl if she’s been told by the school to keep away from your three, it’s contradictory and could foreseeably lead to more problems. I’m glad the school are listening.

Agree that the answer to bullying probably isn’t excluding one child either; it feels pointed and unpleasant. I’m inclined to think that the parents are at fault way more than the child, she’s quite young to be in so much trouble. Although that doesn’t mean you’ve to sacrifice your daughter’s happiness and security on her birthday (or any other day).

Unless your DD is wildly keen on everyone else but her, I’d probably invite thirteen from the class and make up the numbers a bit with siblings’ friends, neighbour kids, cousins, the children of your friends, if you want. (We had twenty-odd eight year olds at a bouncy party once and it was an abject shitshow, I spent the whole afternoon running around after everyone and barely got to see my child! Nearly forgot to take photos of her blowing out the candles because someone was having a rager!)

Megifer · 06/06/2023 17:13

SerafinasGoose · 06/06/2023 17:02

Sorry, but I think you are wrong.

No one has kindly feelings toward the child who is bullying their own DC. As adults, however, we are the ones who should be expected to manage our feelings better - a child of that age can't - and to model the value of tact and compromise to our kids.

The child in question is just six years old. This is too young to understand and manage their emotions; or, for that matter, to piece together the 'actions = consequences' correlation of having left them out of a party the whole remainder of the class is attending.

A smaller collection of friends rather than a 'whole class' party is also hardly a punishment. Were the entire cohort aware of OP's intentions to invite them to start with; had invitations been sent and later rescinded? Was OP's DC fully appraised of the process? If not, then the suggestion that this amounts to 'punishment' is a little OTT.

I can well understand why OP would not want to be the person singling out any particular child: that is the question she wants answered in her original post. I wouldn't want to, either.

So if 6 is too young to understand actions = consequences then ops DD is also too young to understand why mummy is forcing her to invite a child who is making her unhappy or making her change who she invites surely?

I'd rather upset a bully than my own child tbh.

MaryJean87 · 06/06/2023 17:13

I wouldn't invite her as it's not fair to your child. But as a side note you can know that there's definitely no SEN.

2bazookas · 06/06/2023 17:12

Some of the invited guests won't come anyway. Absences won't attract attention.

If anyone asks where Bullygirl is, just say " she couldn't come". IF they ask "is it true she wasn't invited ? " Just say "Yes; they don't get on.".

It's pretty unlikely the bully's mum is going to draw attention to the lack of invitation. because they she'd have to explain it.

AnalLysis · 06/06/2023 17:10

I wouldn’t look at this as leaving her out. You are inviting 25 children and she isn't one of them. If anyone asks the party is made up of her friends which are mostly classmates, some neighbours and relatives. It would also send a mixed message to the child who has been asked to stay away to suddenly invite her for a treat. I would however ensure your daughter knows not to crow over her or use it as leverage (not saying she will, but lots of little children would!)

TantalisingCantaloupe · 06/06/2023 17:09

She's being kept away from all your kids at school. The school clearly know about the issues. The mum also does, even if she doesn't give a toss.

Don't invite. If asked by the bully mum or the school, do your best confused face and explain that the school are deliberately separating them for safety reasons, so it would obviously be usafe to invite her, yet unfair to disinclude others simply due to the bully's unkind and unsafe behaviour.

It's not bullying to miss out only one, when with a defendable reason imo. I spent a playtime in a staff office with a younger primary child showing unkind behaviour only today - can't keep your hands to yourself, then you can't play with the other children. Don't expect to give out the invitations at school though!

IkeaMeatballGravy · 06/06/2023 17:09

I'm not inviting my DS's bully to his party later this year. It's not us bullying him, I just think that DS gets assaulted by this child a few times a week, he shouldn't have to endure it at his own birthday party too. I won't be potentially disappointing other children to spare his feelings either by changing the numbers. The bully has no one to blame but himself.

SerafinasGoose · 06/06/2023 17:02

Scienceadvisory · 06/06/2023 16:26

It's not bullying to not invite a bully to a party, its just natural consequences.

I'm surprised you and so many other posters would rather cap the number of children than simply leave the bully out. You are essentially punishing the other children to spare the feelings of the bully. Why? Why should these kids miss out and the birthday child miss out on the party they want in order to protect the feelings of a bully?

Sorry, but I think you are wrong.

No one has kindly feelings toward the child who is bullying their own DC. As adults, however, we are the ones who should be expected to manage our feelings better - a child of that age can't - and to model the value of tact and compromise to our kids.

The child in question is just six years old. This is too young to understand and manage their emotions; or, for that matter, to piece together the 'actions = consequences' correlation of having left them out of a party the whole remainder of the class is attending.

A smaller collection of friends rather than a 'whole class' party is also hardly a punishment. Were the entire cohort aware of OP's intentions to invite them to start with; had invitations been sent and later rescinded? Was OP's DC fully appraised of the process? If not, then the suggestion that this amounts to 'punishment' is a little OTT.

I can well understand why OP would not want to be the person singling out any particular child: that is the question she wants answered in her original post. I wouldn't want to, either.

Brefugee · 06/06/2023 17:01

Your DD invites the children she wants to invite. And if it turns out it's the whole class? Meh

Maybe bully's mum will finally understand if she finds out

StemStem · 06/06/2023 17:00

Leave her out. She has to understand there are consequences to her actions. If her mum hadn’t been so dismissive in the the first place she might be been able to improve her behaviour.

AmandaHoldensLips · 06/06/2023 16:59

Do not include the bully.
It's your daughter's birthday and that's no place for someone who is horrible to her.

NerrSnerr · 06/06/2023 16:59

I wouldn't invite the bully but I wouldn't just leave her out. I have always asked my children to tell me who want to invite. I don't see the point of full class parties where kids who don't play with each other invite each other. I can only imagine it's much more fun to have a party with the elope you like the best!

Megifer · 06/06/2023 16:56

lysozyme · 06/06/2023 16:52

I was bullied at around 6 by someone the same age. OPs dd I the victim here, not the bully.

I was also bullied from around the same age for a long time.

Perhaps, if instead of pandering to her feelings, she'd have been taught actions have consequences so she wouldn't have ended up with me making a mess of her face some years later.

No sympathy for bullies.

Liv999 · 06/06/2023 16:56

I would have no problem in not inviting her and inviting the rest of her class if thats what she wants, its your Dds birthday party, she shouldn't have to entertain someone who is bullying her on her birthday