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To skive off work this week ?

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IKnowItsNotMine · 04/06/2023 23:35

Posting her for quick traffic - I’ve got 10 mins to decide !

Relevant :

  • Im literally never off work with sickness - I’ve had covid twice and loads of other illnesses but will power through 😷
  • It’s lovely weather this week (UK) and I want to enjoy it before we’re back in winter.
  • No one covers my job.
  • I need annual leave for childcare in summer hols.

YABU - Get to work you lazy loser
YANBU - Life’s short, you deserve a week in the sun with no pesky kids.

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toomuchlaundry · 08/06/2023 21:01

Maybe they are an exploiting boss @RampantIvy!

RampantIvy · 08/06/2023 20:03

Miajk · 08/06/2023 18:06

If you can't run a business without exploiting employees you shouldn't run a business.

Have you never worked for a decent employer? Your cynicism is so depressing.

CountZacular · 08/06/2023 19:36

Aslanplustwo · 06/06/2023 20:22

Penalising someone for taking a week's sick leave to enjoy the sunshine is dodgy ground????? I don't think so - taking a week off when you aren't sick however....

Well seeing as the company don’t know that she’s not sick, then yes, they would penalising her for what they see as actual sickness.

If the company did know she was skiving then they should tackle that as the actual issue.

Miajk · 08/06/2023 18:06

toomuchlaundry · 08/06/2023 15:15

@Miajk how do you think businesses' run? Not all are hugely profit making. Have you ever run a business?

If you can't run a business without exploiting employees you shouldn't run a business.

Miajk · 08/06/2023 18:06

Aslanplustwo · 08/06/2023 01:50

Surely if you don't want to be on a salary then you don't take a job where you are on one. Some employers exploit people, in my experience most don't. Employees who think they are "entitled" to all sorts however, many of them around. Whether you are on a salary or not, if you want time off then you take it as annual leave - or at least that's how it works here.

You're salaried for a contracted number of hours. Your employer not paying you overtime when you do extra hours is wage theft.

This is a simple concept. The silly idea of blaming workers for being salaried is weird.

Didtheythough · 08/06/2023 15:27

You say no one has to cover you so it's not affecting anyone else. Im assuming you'll make sure your work get delivered by whenever it needs to be delivered and your hours will average out eventually. My boss has the philosophy that he pays me for results not for specific hours, so Id feel fine about this.

toomuchlaundry · 08/06/2023 15:15

@Miajk how do you think businesses' run? Not all are hugely profit making. Have you ever run a business?

TheThinkingGoblin · 08/06/2023 15:03

Aslanplustwo · 08/06/2023 01:50

Surely if you don't want to be on a salary then you don't take a job where you are on one. Some employers exploit people, in my experience most don't. Employees who think they are "entitled" to all sorts however, many of them around. Whether you are on a salary or not, if you want time off then you take it as annual leave - or at least that's how it works here.

Strictly speaking,

Even in a salaried role, if you work a lot of overtime I would ask for TOIL (Time off en Lieu) as a recompense.

The company should have a policy about this.

RampantIvy · 08/06/2023 07:57

Miajk · 07/06/2023 23:36

That's fine but most employers aren't like that.

And tbh, even the better ones don't change the fact that your labour is exploited to make a few shareholders wealthier.

And we take it lying down, especially people like you who seem to think it's a normal system where we all have to be wage slaves so a few people can be very rich, but god forbid we take an extra week off. Be for real.

None of my employers have made me feel like a wage slave.
Maybe you have just been unlucky?

weirdas · 08/06/2023 04:57

I wouldn't if you get ill it affects your sickness level

Aslanplustwo · 08/06/2023 01:50

Miajk · 07/06/2023 21:48

But why? Because employers regularly exploit you.

So why shouldn't it be part and parcel of the deal to take a week off just cause you fancy? Neither is contractually right. But I don't see why it should only go one way.

Surely if you don't want to be on a salary then you don't take a job where you are on one. Some employers exploit people, in my experience most don't. Employees who think they are "entitled" to all sorts however, many of them around. Whether you are on a salary or not, if you want time off then you take it as annual leave - or at least that's how it works here.

Miajk · 07/06/2023 23:36

RampantIvy · 07/06/2023 22:39

There are a lot of cynical posters unhappy with their jobs on this thread.

Just to add a bit of balance, my employer does not exploit me. I feel valued and treated with respect, and wouldn't dream of taking the piss and pretending to be off sick.

That's fine but most employers aren't like that.

And tbh, even the better ones don't change the fact that your labour is exploited to make a few shareholders wealthier.

And we take it lying down, especially people like you who seem to think it's a normal system where we all have to be wage slaves so a few people can be very rich, but god forbid we take an extra week off. Be for real.

RampantIvy · 07/06/2023 22:39

There are a lot of cynical posters unhappy with their jobs on this thread.

Just to add a bit of balance, my employer does not exploit me. I feel valued and treated with respect, and wouldn't dream of taking the piss and pretending to be off sick.

Miajk · 07/06/2023 21:48

Aslanplustwo · 06/06/2023 23:47

All these posters talking about unpaid overtime - are you on a salary, as if you are surely that is just part of life? The people I know who are on a salary, not an hourly wage, know that this is part and parcel of the deal.

But why? Because employers regularly exploit you.

So why shouldn't it be part and parcel of the deal to take a week off just cause you fancy? Neither is contractually right. But I don't see why it should only go one way.

Kanaloa · 07/06/2023 10:31

If you need annual leave to cover the holidays, doesn’t that mean you’ll be off for a long period in the summer holiday? So you actually will enjoy the weather during the holidays?

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 07/06/2023 01:25

toomuchlaundry · 05/06/2023 08:07

Were you WFH or going into the office when you power through any illness you may have including COVID?

I was wondering that!

Grrrrdarling · 07/06/2023 00:57

IKnowItsNotMine · 05/06/2023 08:10

I’ve gone to work I couldn’t do it !

Great responses on here though, thanks guys 😁

@IKnowItsNotMine Pull a few days next week, weather is apparently going to be better according to Clime app I use, & plan something constructive & relaxing so the time isn’t just aimlessly lazing around at home .
I’d also see if there is anything you can do work wise at home going forwards, you don’t say if that is possible, then maybe you can do more remote working from home to help create a better work & home balance.

Aslanplustwo · 06/06/2023 23:47

All these posters talking about unpaid overtime - are you on a salary, as if you are surely that is just part of life? The people I know who are on a salary, not an hourly wage, know that this is part and parcel of the deal.

UCknowitall · 06/06/2023 23:20

Go for it OP...

Been in the same job 26 years. They have had at least a quarter of my life and I do fuck loads of unpaid overtime. I do this every three or four years . I feel not one iota of guilt

KarmaStar · 06/06/2023 22:55

I would not skive off because I fancied it,no.
But if you have no ethic of morals go for it.
Perhaps your boss will fancy not paying you one week so they can use your wages for a treat for themselves,after all,life is short.I bet you would not be very happy about that but it's ok the other way round!!

RampantIvy · 06/06/2023 22:28

Aslanplustwo · 06/06/2023 20:32

I'm not in the UK, but reading through this thread makes me wonder about your workplace culture. Of course there are bad employers where I live too, but I'm almost 64 and have never worked unpaid overtime, have always had any uniform I've been required to wear paid for, and have never been treated like shit. If I've been sick then no-one has queried any time off I've had - in fact my current boss recently told me to stay home for four days with a cold when I was perfectly happy to go to work. Surely there must be some decent employers in the UK?

I have a decent employer. We are treated with respect, and there is give and take on both sides because none of us take the piss.

The work ethic of some of the posters on this thread is terrible, and anyone who did this where I work wouldn't last long.

A funny anecdote. Many years ago I had a dreadful summer cold. I was a sales rep, and going round several customers with such a bad cold was just not on, so I took the day off work. It was a lovely summer's day, and I fell asleep in the garden.

I felt much better the next day, but I looked like I had been sunbathing, so I trowelled on loads of the lightest foundation I had to make myself look really pale. I called in at the office before going out to see customers, and everyone at work said I still looked ill as I was so pale. I felt such a fraud, but I had genuinely felt really poorly the day before.

Eastie77Returns · 06/06/2023 22:07

Clafoutie · 06/06/2023 21:18

They will be taking pay for work they have not done. It is fraud, and also presumably lying. Difficult also to think it would have zero impact on anyone or anything else, even though cover is not needed. But it seems plenty of people are ok with that and just go with ‘you do you’. 🙄

OP stated no-one has to cover her work so who and what exactly is it impacting? It doesn’t sound as if she’s an essential worker if a replacement isn’t needed.

The company I work for posted revenue of over $20 billion last year and no-one has to to do my work if I take a day off. The company doesn’t provide any products that are life saving or particularly important. There is no impact to anyone or anything if I’m not there and given the CEO earns £25 million I’m really not going to worry too much about ‘defrauding’ the company of a few days pay.

Fluffmum · 06/06/2023 22:07

Do it . Life is short

Clafoutie · 06/06/2023 21:18

Eastie77Returns · 04/06/2023 23:53

I’d say go for if no-one has to cover your work and as you mention you are never usually off. I wouldn’t take 5 days as that’s a bit long but a couple of days to enjoy the sunshine - why not. No-one on their death bed wished they’d spent more time at work.

Ignore the dramatic responses here. Basically stealing…lol.

They will be taking pay for work they have not done. It is fraud, and also presumably lying. Difficult also to think it would have zero impact on anyone or anything else, even though cover is not needed. But it seems plenty of people are ok with that and just go with ‘you do you’. 🙄

Travelfan2021 · 06/06/2023 21:02

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