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Would you date a Met detective?

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singleforareason · 04/06/2023 22:29

A quick poll. I suspect I’m being a little unreasonable. Not that I assume the toxic culture of someone’s workplace is any indication of their individual character but from Stephen Lawrence to Bibaa Henry, Nicole Smallman and Sarah Everard would anyone not see this job as a red flag?

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BodegaSushi · 07/06/2023 20:57

nopuppiesallowed · 07/06/2023 20:41

@Catchasingmewithspiders
If I'm blaming teachers and parents, the finger is pointing squarely at me as I'm a parent and was a teacher. And i wasn't blaming anyone. I was just saying that the way children (mine included) are brought up has an impact on how they behave as adults. It's not the only factor but it's definitely one of them.

It's not the poor policeman's fault, his parents/teachers didn't do a good enough job 🥲

I wonder if all of Wayne Couzens' classmates went on to murder as well, seeing as they were all clearly failed.

Don't point the finger at the MET that bred a culture that made other men think 'The Rapist' as he was nicknamed was funny and his 'jokes' about rape and murder was just bants, let's review Ofsted instead!

Do you not see how ridiculous that sounds?

nopuppiesallowed · 07/06/2023 20:41

@Catchasingmewithspiders
If I'm blaming teachers and parents, the finger is pointing squarely at me as I'm a parent and was a teacher. And i wasn't blaming anyone. I was just saying that the way children (mine included) are brought up has an impact on how they behave as adults. It's not the only factor but it's definitely one of them.

PinkRiceKrispies · 07/06/2023 18:06

Yes I would. Ridiculous to tar all police with the same brush.
One of my colleagues been married to a policeman for almost 50 years. The vast majority of the police force do an amazing job and we would be screwed without them.

Catchasingmewithspiders · 07/06/2023 18:04

egowise · 07/06/2023 17:55

It's funny how those in favour of the police will blame literally anybody but the police.

Exactly. What else can we blame sodding teachers and parents for?

Given none of the other police forces are as bad as the Met, there may be problems but not on the same scale, isnt it possible that its the Met that's the issue?

Unless schooling and parenting is wildly different in London to the rest of the UK?

EamonsPalliativeCareTracksuit · 07/06/2023 17:57

No.

egowise · 07/06/2023 17:55

nopuppiesallowed · 07/06/2023 17:48

I may be wrong but wasn't that at the time when a woman (Cressida Dick?) was in charge of the Met? If so, she really needed to have dealt with it, although addressing and solving the issue will take a generation or two. And I wonder if the same scrutiny has been applied to the NHS and to the teaching profession?
I actually think that the people who should begin changing attitudes are the parents and school systems. Educating children out of racism, misogyny etc should begin from the earliest years.

It's funny how those in favour of the police will blame literally anybody but the police.

Catchasingmewithspiders · 07/06/2023 17:51

nopuppiesallowed · 07/06/2023 17:48

I may be wrong but wasn't that at the time when a woman (Cressida Dick?) was in charge of the Met? If so, she really needed to have dealt with it, although addressing and solving the issue will take a generation or two. And I wonder if the same scrutiny has been applied to the NHS and to the teaching profession?
I actually think that the people who should begin changing attitudes are the parents and school systems. Educating children out of racism, misogyny etc should begin from the earliest years.

No the quote is from the new comissioner Sir Mark Rowley

Do the NHS and teachers need scrutinising to the same extent?

nopuppiesallowed · 07/06/2023 17:48

Catchasingmewithspiders · 07/06/2023 16:19

We aren't referring to the press. My post above came from the actually Met Police Commissioner saying:

I’m accepting we have racists, misogynists. I’m accepting, we’ve got systemic failings, management failings, cultural failings.

Thats not the press, thats the man in charge of the Met

But still women are critisised if they are risk averse.

Of course if they take a risk and something goes wrong they are also criticised for that...

I may be wrong but wasn't that at the time when a woman (Cressida Dick?) was in charge of the Met? If so, she really needed to have dealt with it, although addressing and solving the issue will take a generation or two. And I wonder if the same scrutiny has been applied to the NHS and to the teaching profession?
I actually think that the people who should begin changing attitudes are the parents and school systems. Educating children out of racism, misogyny etc should begin from the earliest years.

singleforareason · 07/06/2023 16:49

Of course if they take a risk and something goes wrong they are also criticised for that...

Of course, isn’t it the first rule of misogyny? Women are to blame when men do something bad.

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singleforareason · 07/06/2023 16:47

momtoboys · 07/06/2023 15:52

A couple of additions to my previous post. Police in our area are FAR from low pay. Even first years make close to $100,000 with mandatory OT. My DH is also really handsome and appealing and looks great in a uniform, which sadly he wears much less often in his current rank. 😉

It’s not such a well paid job to have in London, not that it makes any difference to whether I find someone attractive or not.

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Catchasingmewithspiders · 07/06/2023 16:20

BelleMarionette · 07/06/2023 14:32

This is so true. It's reporting bias, as when people in professions commit crimes, it gets more public attention. Yes, the standards of behaviour expected are higher, and rightly so. It doesn't mean the few bad eggs should tarnish everyone else in the same profession though.

Its literally not a few bad eggs though. Have you read the recent review of the met police?

Catchasingmewithspiders · 07/06/2023 16:19

nopuppiesallowed · 07/06/2023 12:00

On the basis of some of the posts on here I
*wouldn't date a teacher (one suddenly 'disappeared' from a school I was a pupil at)
*wouldn't date a doctor (one was known as 'cold finger' for a reason and all in the know avoided him)
*wouldn't date an accountant because one ran off with the money my parents had saved for the deposit on their first house.
Dating anyone from any profession comes with risks. And don't forget that the press highlights the cases of those who work in professions where they are supposed to care and protect the public. If I was single, I'd be happy to date someone from the Met, but as a Christian I'd approach things differently to many who post on Mumsnet. I'd not even think of sleeping with someone until we were married and there'd be a year or so of getting to know each other before we got married. Gives you time to get to know their friends and family, too. I'm not judging anyone who'd approach things differently, because I'm me and you're you and I've not walked in your shoes.

We aren't referring to the press. My post above came from the actually Met Police Commissioner saying:

I’m accepting we have racists, misogynists. I’m accepting, we’ve got systemic failings, management failings, cultural failings.

Thats not the press, thats the man in charge of the Met

But still women are critisised if they are risk averse.

Of course if they take a risk and something goes wrong they are also criticised for that...

momtoboys · 07/06/2023 15:52

singleforareason · 05/06/2023 12:16

Most contributors seem to have shared their views in good faith. Lots of issues I hadn’t considered such as low pay and shift work, but for a casual relationship these are not important. I was mostly concerned about domestic violence and racism.

A couple of additions to my previous post. Police in our area are FAR from low pay. Even first years make close to $100,000 with mandatory OT. My DH is also really handsome and appealing and looks great in a uniform, which sadly he wears much less often in his current rank. 😉

StormShadow · 07/06/2023 15:07

BodegaSushi · 07/06/2023 14:26

And don't forget that the press highlights the cases of those who work in professions where they are supposed to care and protect the public.

Um yeah of course it does, the standards are higher. As they should be Confused

And it isn't just a case of the press 'highlighting' those professions, the actual government has done a review and found that the accusations against the MET are not baseless. A few posts above a PP has highlighted quotes from the relevant authorities on the matter.

So again, until you can show we similar enquiries and findings into the accountancy governing board, or Ofsted, or the GMC, these comparisons are meaningless

Yes. Either your comparison will be to a body that has been shown to have the same problems as the police, in particular the Met, or it will be bollocks.

sunflowerdaisyrose · 07/06/2023 14:40

Yes I would. I'm married to a police officer (not met) and he's amazing so I would decide based on the individual.

singleforareason · 07/06/2023 14:37

What is it about the extensive investigations into the met so far that lead you to conclude it’s only a ‘few bad eggs’ rather than the institutional corruption that has been uncovered?

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BelleMarionette · 07/06/2023 14:32

nopuppiesallowed · 07/06/2023 12:00

On the basis of some of the posts on here I
*wouldn't date a teacher (one suddenly 'disappeared' from a school I was a pupil at)
*wouldn't date a doctor (one was known as 'cold finger' for a reason and all in the know avoided him)
*wouldn't date an accountant because one ran off with the money my parents had saved for the deposit on their first house.
Dating anyone from any profession comes with risks. And don't forget that the press highlights the cases of those who work in professions where they are supposed to care and protect the public. If I was single, I'd be happy to date someone from the Met, but as a Christian I'd approach things differently to many who post on Mumsnet. I'd not even think of sleeping with someone until we were married and there'd be a year or so of getting to know each other before we got married. Gives you time to get to know their friends and family, too. I'm not judging anyone who'd approach things differently, because I'm me and you're you and I've not walked in your shoes.

This is so true. It's reporting bias, as when people in professions commit crimes, it gets more public attention. Yes, the standards of behaviour expected are higher, and rightly so. It doesn't mean the few bad eggs should tarnish everyone else in the same profession though.

BodegaSushi · 07/06/2023 14:26

And don't forget that the press highlights the cases of those who work in professions where they are supposed to care and protect the public.

Um yeah of course it does, the standards are higher. As they should be Confused

And it isn't just a case of the press 'highlighting' those professions, the actual government has done a review and found that the accusations against the MET are not baseless. A few posts above a PP has highlighted quotes from the relevant authorities on the matter.

So again, until you can show we similar enquiries and findings into the accountancy governing board, or Ofsted, or the GMC, these comparisons are meaningless

singleforareason · 07/06/2023 12:21

The trouble with me is when I fancy someone I easily overlook areas of incompatibility because I’m not thinking long term. Getting into relationships with men is always a lot easier than getting out of them.

I still can’t think of a comparable job that calls someone’s character into question in the same way. This is the first time someone’s career choice has been the turn off.

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2ndMrsdeWinter · 07/06/2023 12:12

I really wouldn’t. End of.

nopuppiesallowed · 07/06/2023 12:00

On the basis of some of the posts on here I
*wouldn't date a teacher (one suddenly 'disappeared' from a school I was a pupil at)
*wouldn't date a doctor (one was known as 'cold finger' for a reason and all in the know avoided him)
*wouldn't date an accountant because one ran off with the money my parents had saved for the deposit on their first house.
Dating anyone from any profession comes with risks. And don't forget that the press highlights the cases of those who work in professions where they are supposed to care and protect the public. If I was single, I'd be happy to date someone from the Met, but as a Christian I'd approach things differently to many who post on Mumsnet. I'd not even think of sleeping with someone until we were married and there'd be a year or so of getting to know each other before we got married. Gives you time to get to know their friends and family, too. I'm not judging anyone who'd approach things differently, because I'm me and you're you and I've not walked in your shoes.

singleforareason · 07/06/2023 11:24

Thanks for all your thoughts, it’s been good to examine my own biases and to conclude that they’re actually valid concerns after all.

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EmeraldPanda · 06/06/2023 13:07

No way.

skippy67 · 06/06/2023 11:44

Never ever. I would never date any copper and I'd be disappointed if either of my dc did. Love a football fan though...

dancinginthesky · 06/06/2023 11:31

I said earlier I had, and would again just not that particular one bc he was a bit of a twat. Probably the reason I would despite him being a bit of a twat is he didn't dismiss that there are problems within the culture of the met and that the public, particularly women have lost confidence due to the way now ex colleagues have behaved.

It's not an easy job and deserves respect but dismissing the publics current lack of trust doesn't go far to rebuilding it and inspiring confidence that those who remain are trying to change the culture within it, not looking to protect those who shouldn't be working in it

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