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Christianknowledgeneeded · 04/06/2023 10:59

If you are not interested please scroll on. I’m feeling rough enough as it is.
thank you
married 20 years. I have a loose Christian belief DH none
i am at the point where I have over 15 years been clear about what I need in a relationship ( minimal) he has failed to give this
we live as flat mates that argue a lot
If an issue is raised he denies it or belittles it. Waters it down or brings up a sudden list of things that I do and then says he feels guilty that he’s not enough ( but doesn’t really up his game much consistently) It takes hours to get an apology.
have tried MC
have tried praying
have tried speaking to church who say ‘ well done keeping your family together’
Im scared to divorce because of hell
I’m scared that if I do I will live this earthly life lonely as I won’t meet anyone who would want me as a divorcee and also I couldn’t have any relationship unless married to them
so my options are
live a half life - put up with a lazy man child
divorce - go to hell
divorce - have no intimacy ( unless meet someone comfortable with divorcee who would wait for marriage to have an intimate relationship)
christians / slight believers what are your thoughts ?

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MoralOrLegal · 04/06/2023 12:02

All of these groups believe that their (different) interpretation of the Bible is the correct one. And these are just the mainstream churches!

Within these denominations, "Fundamentalist" or "Evangelical" groups are (very roughly speaking) those which emphasise the exact text of the Bible, as the Word of God, over everything else. Many other groups assert that the Bible was written by humans, in particular social contexts. There are arguments for both sides there.

Christian knowledge needed please
Testina · 04/06/2023 12:02

Christianknowledgeneeded · 04/06/2023 11:56

I asked a leader to help me understand what god says about divorce and they basically said that it is not what he wants and that I should try and keep my marriage together and that I should try and keep my family together

Right, and how exactly does that equate to burning in fiery pits of hell?
Forget religion.
Of course if you go into a marriage you should try to make it work, that’s got nothing to do with God.

I divorced my husband because he turned out to be a serial prostitute user. I left with my dignity, and herpes.
My friend left her husband, after he broke her arm in front of their 6yo.
We both had marriage counselling together after knowledge of prostitutes (me) black eye (her). So we definitely tried.

Do you really think God is sending us to hell?
And if He would, is that actually a religion you choose to follow?

Mumto1boyo · 04/06/2023 12:02

Nah you won't go to church if you're divorced. Methodist Christian here and one of our stewards is divorced. Find another church if they're being mean to you. God wants you to be happy 😊

007DoubleOSeven · 04/06/2023 12:01

I believe that you won't go to hell for divorcing. Be happy.

launchpad39a · 04/06/2023 11:59

I don’t know about other denominations but growing up Catholic meant redemption or salvation was only possible through faith in Jesus and with it came a responsibility to the wider community. I did have a fear of Hell, but that comes from continually examining your conscience from infancy. Were you raised in this way?

As you grow up your critical faculties usually kick in and you can separate the role of religion as an oppressive social control from the internal rewards of the mysteries of faith, the example of sacrificial love and the responsibility to care for yourself and others.

What was it like for you when you were young? Did you have a religion?

Christianknowledgeneeded · 04/06/2023 11:58

Hmm interesting thank you. I would say yes I have always been taught that I am worth not much from a very young age. I will reflect on this point . Thank you x

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schnauzerbeard · 04/06/2023 11:58

Being a Christian involves believing that Jesus is the son of God who was sent to earth and died on the cross for our sins. Whether you're divorced or not shouldn't matter if you believe this as this is the only way in to Heaven.

HideousKinky · 04/06/2023 11:56

As Testina suggests a less literal-minded interpretation of hell might be helpful OP - "hell" can be experienced here and by seeking a happier life for yourself, you would be attempting to extricate yourself from it

Christianknowledgeneeded · 04/06/2023 11:56

I asked a leader to help me understand what god says about divorce and they basically said that it is not what he wants and that I should try and keep my marriage together and that I should try and keep my family together

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Testina · 04/06/2023 11:55

“I forgive and forgive and forgive and then my heart will turn to sudden stone
then I become very angry and unforgiving which I hate “

That’s because you never forgave in the first place. Let alone forgave and forgave and forgave! You buried your needs and your rights and accepted shitty behaviour because something/someone drilled that into you. But, deep down, of course you didn’t forgive them. Because you shouldn’t. So eventually the anger surfaces.

You don’t need god/God, a minister, an Alpha course, a religion… you need a decent therapist.

The very Christian position of, “turning the other cheek” doesn’t actually mean let people treat you like shit. When God flooded the earth, he wasn’t turning the other cheek. When Jesus over turned the table of the money lenders, he wasn’t turning the other cheek.

Sounds to me like you were brought up to ignore your own needs, and with the Alpha course you tried to find a religion that would make you feel virtuous for continuing to do so, because it’s a lot easier than changing.

How would you feel at the Pearly Gates if you said to God, “I was super nice and forgiving and I’m here for my heavenly reward please” and He said, “I gave you this wonderful opportunity for a full and happy earthly life, and you squandered it?”

Therapy!

Christianknowledgeneeded · 04/06/2023 11:55

Sorry I’m a bit new to all of this and want to understand more, I guess I’ve been closed minded and only really followed what the church I was involved with preached

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AndTheSurveySays · 04/06/2023 11:53

I am maybe understanding from here that you can be a Christian and different groups within it are very different in their opinions?

Do you live under a rock? Have you never heard of all the various denominations of Christianity?!

What church are you going to that believes divorce = Hell? Never in my life have I been to a church that preaches that.

schnauzerbeard · 04/06/2023 11:52

Depends if you're catholic or Protestant I suppose. Protestant Christians do not see marriage as a sacrament. Divorce is fine as long as it's for the right reasons. The only sacraments are baptism and holy communion. I believe marriage is a sacrament in Catholicism however.

Christianknowledgeneeded · 04/06/2023 11:52

Yes because this is what the bible says isn’t it ?
the church I went to talked a lot about ‘ the enemy’

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Jellycatspyjamas · 04/06/2023 11:51

The Christian church is very broad and varied - however at its heart there’s a belief in having a relationship with God. You describe behaviours that someone might ascribe to be Christian but not what you believe about God and Jesus. It sounds like you’re seeking a faith and have fallen across a pretty fundamental version of church. Have a look maybe at your local Anglican Church as they tend to be more liberal and will teach the faith in an accessible way.

In terms of your marriage, I don’t believe you go to hell if you divorce, and you can make your own choices about what happens in future relationships.

Testina · 04/06/2023 11:48

Do you actually believe in hell?
Like, even if the Bible clearly said: you divorce, you go to hell - do you actually think you’re going to be burning in fiery pits for eternity?

Christianknowledgeneeded · 04/06/2023 11:45

Thank you all for your replies I really appreciate it
I will try and explain ‘ loose Christian views’ better
I pray for my family and myself a lot
I pray for world problems
I pray when grateful for something
I am a very kind and generous person
I never judge unless someone gives me clear message he’s that they are unkind or I trust worthy ( at that time)
I forgive and forgive and forgive and then my heart will turn to sudden stone
then I become very angry and unforgiving which I hate
i did go to church for a few months but to be honest I found waving flags ( literally not meant in any derogative way and I can see people enjoy it but I’m not a showy person) uncomfortable and the music touched me so much that I would just cry alot !
So I wasn’t sure if it was for me and opted for a more private relation ship with god

I admit that I never read the bible but will google often what god would say about something and read the extracts that show up for that situation

however with this situation it has been very mixed messages online searches

im feeling that I am potentially a lazy Christian?!

as for ‘ fundamentalist’ I have no idea what this means…. But I will explore

I am maybe understanding from here that you can be a Christian and different groups within it are very different in their opinions?

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Createausername1970 · 04/06/2023 11:43

I am Christian. I am divorced and remarried.

I don't take the Bible as "gospel" excuse the pun. It was written by humans in random languages, translated, retranslated and jiggled with to fit whatever thinking happened to be popular at the time. That's my view anyway.

I am fairly sure you won't go to hell if you divorce.

If you are as unhappy in your marriage as you say you are, then you need to start doing practical things to exit. Own bank account, clear idea of what it cost to move out/buy husband out etc. Start to get an exit plan straight in your head and see where that leads you.

whumpthereitis · 04/06/2023 11:41

Kinda depends on your flavour of Christianity, doesn’t it? The Bible teaches a multitude of contradictory things depending on how you read it.

LifeExperience · 04/06/2023 11:40

I'm a devout lifelong Christian, born and raised protestant but now Catholic. You will not go to hell if you're divorced. The whole point of Jesus' life and death is the forgiveness of sins. The Lord knows what you've put up with, and your husband's refusal to participate in married life, which is what I think you're saying, is sufficient grounds. Every time your husband discounts your needs, ridicules you, refuses intimacy without very good reason, etc., he is sinning against you and God.

As for intimacy outside marriage, I can't help you. It is not condoned by Christianity. I will say that as someone who travels in devoutly religious circles, there are men who will abstain until marriage, including marriage to a divorcee. In fact, I married one, and I was the divorcee. I know any number of men who would feel the same way, so don't think that a truly Christian man consider you damaged goods or unworthy or whatever you're thinking. A man who loves you in a Christ-like way, which is the requirement for all Christian men, will not care.

Lessstressedhemum · 04/06/2023 11:38

daffodilandtulip · 04/06/2023 11:21

Even if you believe divorce is a sin, the Bible is clear that all sin is the same and that it was all wiped out by Jesus - so get a divorce or tell a lie or speed your car - Jesus still loves you and has forgiven you.

This isn't true. You have to do what Romans 10:9 says, be repentant and ask forgiveness.
Implied in the verse from Romans is that belief and confession lead you to want to imitate Christ and live a life modelled on His.
You can't just go around willy nilly doing whatever you like. That's not how it works. Christian faith is a responsibility and we need to try to live up to Christ's example and sacrifice.

bryceQ · 04/06/2023 11:36

My husband is catholic and has deep faith. He believes we all "sin" but this wouldn't stop him from getting a divorce if he's unhappy. He accepts we are all flawed and make mistakes but we seek forgiveness and no-body never ever doesn't make mistakes or needs forgiveness. We all do but we do our best

Lessstressedhemum · 04/06/2023 11:34

If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:9

You do that, so you have nothing to worry about.
God does not send folk to "hell" which, my church believes, is the absence of God's presence, for fun. You would have to be a really, really unrepentant sinner, I think.
All sin is ranked the same in God's eyes, there is no hierarchy. And all sin is wiped out by Christ's death on the cross.
You are God's precious child. He loves you and wants you to be happy not stuck living a shadow life in an abusive marriage. And I'm speaking from experience here. And if God would have no problem with you being divorced, why should anyone else? If they do, they are not worth worrying about. Tbh, your church sounds a bit abusive as well, encouraging you to stay in your situation.
For a person with "loose" Christian belief, you actually sound very fundamentalist. These kinds of belief are not really that mainstream. Why don't you try a different church that might be more understanding and supportive. Oh, and offers baptism without full immersion, if that's what you want.

Askil · 04/06/2023 11:33

daffodilandtulip · 04/06/2023 11:21

Even if you believe divorce is a sin, the Bible is clear that all sin is the same and that it was all wiped out by Jesus - so get a divorce or tell a lie or speed your car - Jesus still loves you and has forgiven you.

This is not what Christianity teaches at all. Jesus died for our sins but with that must come 'true repentance' of the sins we have committed. Then we are assured of his forgiveness, followed by not repeating that sin.

Going about lying and breaking the law wilfully because 'Jesus has forgiven it all' is not what the death on the cross is about and never has been. That is a complete mockery of the sacrifice Jesus made.

As for@OP I am very sorry you are in what seems like a very unhappy marriage and have to make difficult decisions. Your church does not sound helpful or perhaps just have not got the right resources to support marriages in crisis.
I can't advise whether you should divorce but whatever you do decide i wish you all the very best.

unfortunateevents · 04/06/2023 11:31

Given that you say you have a "loose" Christian belief I am very concerned at your beliefs that you will go to hell if you divorce and that in God's eyes your husband is perfect. I don't know where you picked up your Christian beliefs from but I suspect some fundamentalist or evangelical church because mainstream Christianity does not condemn anyone merely for being divorced. I am Catholic, most of my friends are C of E and lots of our group are divorced, living with partners, gay, whatever. If you really believe that you will be condemned for leaving your husband, I suggest that you go and speak to a mainstream Church minister or perhaps try to find a group for divorced church-goers. Even my very middle-class previous Catholic church has a social group for divorced and separated people.