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Appalling grammar influx

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Schnicklefritz · 03/06/2023 08:22

NC because I am almost certain that I'm going to receive a bashing.

Has anyone else noticed the influx of threads started by posters with absolutely awful grammar? I don't mean mixing up "your/you're" or "there/their/they're". I mean entire paragraphs without full stops, capitalization, "we wasn't/I weren't", "cuz" instead of "because".

Add in standard abbreviations like "wwyd" and "DH/DC", and it makes the posts incredibly difficult to follow and in some instances, effectively unreadable.

It's only the past two weeks or so that I've noticed the increase in these posts. Is it just me?

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AllyCart · 04/06/2023 18:25

LakieLady · 03/06/2023 19:48

The starting of sentences with "So" seems to be a relatively recent thing to me. I've noticed it on here for a while, but I recently heard someone say it. When spoken, it sounds as though it's used as an emphasiser, but I'm not sure if that's why.

It's even better when it's spoken in a sentence that ends with a rising inflection ('uptalk') so that it also sounds like a question.

"So I was chatting with Sarah yesterday?"

It is mind-bending and causes me to have to pause momentarily to process it at times.

It's as if there's a bit missing before the sentence - something that explains why they were chatting with Sarah - and then apparently it's also question as well.

mosiacmaker · 03/06/2023 21:37

Re the advertising point, for the first time ever I am seeing constant ads for mumsnet on Facebook - so maybe that’s drawing a lot of badly grammared plebs in :D

Macaroni46 · 03/06/2023 21:30

Jourdain11 · 03/06/2023 09:38

I think your completely UR and obviously a grammer snob some people isn't interested in where a full stop goes they just want to talk about interesting currant topics like Phil Scofield I don't understand what you're problem is with that it's always complete possible to read the thread and some people doesnt have access to education outside of London.

Brilliant! 🤣

LaPerduta · 03/06/2023 21:22

Catchasingmewithspiders · 03/06/2023 11:38

I get my spelling corrected sometimes. I'm visually impaired and even when I point that out people still like to moan about tiny spelling errors. It's pathetic.

As for the whole 'how can someone think infront is a word' inbetween is a word so why can't infront be? Language is constantly evolving and changing and often what pedants moan about is the natural progression of a language. Infront might be one person consistently making a mistake. But if English did evolve in such a way that infront was recognised as a word eventually really what would the problem be?

Inbetween is not a word.

Nor is:
Alot
Abit
Incase
Eachother

However, today and tomorrow were originally "to day" and "to morrow", and an apron was originally "a napron", so I do see your point.

SweetiePi3 · 03/06/2023 21:21

Jourdain11 · 03/06/2023 09:38

I think your completely UR and obviously a grammer snob some people isn't interested in where a full stop goes they just want to talk about interesting currant topics like Phil Scofield I don't understand what you're problem is with that it's always complete possible to read the thread and some people doesnt have access to education outside of London.

I can only hope that your post was deliberately riddled with poor grammar.

SweetiePi3 · 03/06/2023 21:11

Relax OP! 76% of readers agree with you..

LakieLady · 03/06/2023 19:48

The starting of sentences with "So" seems to be a relatively recent thing to me. I've noticed it on here for a while, but I recently heard someone say it. When spoken, it sounds as though it's used as an emphasiser, but I'm not sure if that's why.

willWillSmithsmith · 03/06/2023 19:45

LakieLady · 03/06/2023 19:43

I moved to Sussex more than 30 years ago, and doubt if I could find my way round Croydon now. And a lot of the bus routes have different numbers, so that would have me stumped as well.

I get a little nostalgic when I see the Croydon skyline in the bit between the programmes on ITV though.

Ha me too. Left over twenty years ago have no desire to live there again. No family left there now either, all moved or passed away.

LakieLady · 03/06/2023 19:43

willWillSmithsmith · 03/06/2023 19:22

@LakieLady I should have said hello from one Croydonian to another 😁

I moved to Sussex more than 30 years ago, and doubt if I could find my way round Croydon now. And a lot of the bus routes have different numbers, so that would have me stumped as well.

I get a little nostalgic when I see the Croydon skyline in the bit between the programmes on ITV though.

SweetiePi3 · 03/06/2023 19:34

I also hate poor grammar and textspeak. With so much technology, having your sentences and spelling sorted there's really no excuse.

Reading good books build vocabulary, spelling and sentence construction.

Apparently the tabloids know their readership, not more than two syllables to a word or five words to a sentence.

willWillSmithsmith · 03/06/2023 19:22

@LakieLady I should have said hello from one Croydonian to another 😁

willWillSmithsmith · 03/06/2023 19:19

LakieLady · 03/06/2023 10:38

I'm not sure it's even a Cockney thing.

It's quite common in Croydon, where I come from and some of my in-laws still live. They don't speak like that, but my SIL's husband does, as do some family friends and neighbours.

I spent forty years in Croydon and no one said ‘you was’. We might be a bit Sarf London at times but everyone I knew or worked with spoke properly (and I was state educated).

RampantIvy · 03/06/2023 13:25

I'm from Croydon as well @LakieLady and @NeverDropYourMooncup. Most of my class lived in New Addington. I also had friends from Shirley so I grew up with those accents.

excelledyourself · 03/06/2023 13:13

It's only the past two weeks or so that I've noticed the increase in these posts.

YABU for this part only.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 03/06/2023 12:52

LakieLady · 03/06/2023 10:38

I'm not sure it's even a Cockney thing.

It's quite common in Croydon, where I come from and some of my in-laws still live. They don't speak like that, but my SIL's husband does, as do some family friends and neighbours.

New Addington, Shrublands, Monks Hill and the like were initially populated by many families who had been bombed out from London - a lot from Bermondsey/Old Kent Road, but also a significant number from Whitechapel and Bethnal Green, brought by the promise of modern rural homes (once the prefabs came down) and no pollution.

I think that as people grow up seeing the internet as somewhere for advice, those with lower literacy are also going to try to get help.

cocoloco117 · 03/06/2023 12:27

NowZeusHasLainWithLeda · 03/06/2023 12:13

...advice to someone...wh....

Ironic.

Ironic indeed 😉

AllyCart · 03/06/2023 12:19

You're not wrong, OP.

I can't believe the number of "too" and "to" errors, as well.

And don't get me started on the people starting posts with "So..."

Thesunnymood · 03/06/2023 12:15

MangosteenSoda · 03/06/2023 11:36

I’ve noticed this recently too. Not just spelling/grammar variations or mistakes (which would be cunty to pick on) but a few long OPs that are completely incomprehensible. So incomprehensible that it almost seemed deliberate, but I would have no idea why someone would do that.

Bun fight starter

NowZeusHasLainWithLeda · 03/06/2023 12:13

cocoloco117 · 03/06/2023 10:03

Don’t read it then? If I can’t follow what’s being said due to bad grammar or language, I just stop reading, rather than trying to decipher it, or wasting time offering advice to someone whose probably too thick to appreciate it.

...advice to someone...wh....

Ironic.

Catchasingmewithspiders · 03/06/2023 11:38

I get my spelling corrected sometimes. I'm visually impaired and even when I point that out people still like to moan about tiny spelling errors. It's pathetic.

As for the whole 'how can someone think infront is a word' inbetween is a word so why can't infront be? Language is constantly evolving and changing and often what pedants moan about is the natural progression of a language. Infront might be one person consistently making a mistake. But if English did evolve in such a way that infront was recognised as a word eventually really what would the problem be?

MangosteenSoda · 03/06/2023 11:36

I’ve noticed this recently too. Not just spelling/grammar variations or mistakes (which would be cunty to pick on) but a few long OPs that are completely incomprehensible. So incomprehensible that it almost seemed deliberate, but I would have no idea why someone would do that.

Macaroni46 · 03/06/2023 11:24

I get irritated with the incorrect use of 'your' 'you're', 'to' and 'too' etc as well as could OF. It's could HAVE ffs.
But I'm an intolerant old fart 😂

PetitPorpoise · 03/06/2023 10:58

@LakieLady in Cumbria we use "drovv" instead of "drove".

LakieLady · 03/06/2023 10:56

Cam22 · 03/06/2023 10:21

I agree. It’s embarrassing that people don’t know any better.

Why is it embarrassing? It's not the poster's fault if their education failed them, if they have some speech and language difficulties, undiagnosed dyslexia, or English isn't their first language. It's still probably a damn sight better than my French or German.

If the standard of education in schools these days is anything to go by, it'll be the norm soon. I've seen shocking howlers in written work from younger colleagues in recent years, and some of it from people with decent degrees from RG universities.

I think the standard of written English has declined with the demise of teaching Latin, tbh. I used to have a job that involved vetting reports that went to council committees, and the best written stuff always seemed come from people who'd done Latin at school.

Although I still wince inwardly at a split infinitive, or using "less" where it should be "fewer", I regard it as my failing and down to a certain snobbery on my part.

PetitPorpoise · 03/06/2023 10:55

Regardless of dialect, people should know that we don't write the way we speak. Everywhere has particular turns of phrase or words that are largely incomprehensible to those outside that area. I love language and always find things like that interesting. But it's not ignorant to expect people to adhere to a reasonable standard of spelling and grammar when writing in an international forum for a general audience.