Rainbows everywhere 🌈

Exactly. If 1978 was a century ago, I’d like my pension too, please!
Someone’s maths is way out!

Why do male bodied persons “Identify as Lesbians “ and seek to get podium in Women’s sports?
If they kept to their own categories, no problem.
Women feel discomfited at a male bodied person in a women’s group saying “ They have periods”

A heavy silence falls and the male bodied get a kick out of it, I’m sure, bullying women as men have always done.

1978 was not literally (or figuratively) 100 years ago. If it was I'd like my pension as I'm now apparently 94 years old. No wonder I'm tired!

Excellent posts @Verv thank you.

The flag was created in 1978 by a gay man, and made its first appearance at the Gay Freedom Day Parade.
Craig Rodman, Fred Sergeant, Linda Rhodes and Ellen Broidy, Homosexuals, started Pride.
Go find images from the early events and see who wasn't there. The "TQ" are radically absent from photographs.

And, no thank you. No transwashing of gay history today, thanks.
Storme, a lesbian, threw the first brick at the Stonewall riots.
Martha was not there at the time that the riots started, and more importantly he identified as a gay man and laughed at and about people who thought he was a woman.
In HIS own words - https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sYW0Mg1i_wk
Yes, there was a mix of gays, lesbians, and drag queens. But those queens had no desire to occupy womanhood or pretend that their attire made them female.

In the UK Pride started with the Gay Liberation Front, Bev Jackson, a lesbian, was one of the founders and is still active as a founder of the LGB Alliance.. Once again, something's missing from the GLF, isnt it? Ah yes, the TQ, because they weren't introduced to the LGB until the 2010s when Stonewall, needed to find a new income stream once gay people had achieved equality.

And while we're at it, the hyperbole and silly bleats about "wiping us out" and "we exist" has got well past its sell by date.
Nobody is afraid of the tantrums anymore.

you're right, sex, sexuality and gender reassignment i feel falls under the same umbrella though but yeah my bad

They are different things though. And it would really help the dialogues if people stopped claiming otherwise.

@oakleaffy trans people have a right to exist idk why you think that they don't, they've existed for thousands of years, been respected for just as long, it's only in this past century that their existence has been deemed controversial, also that comment about women's sport just sounds misogynistic, also i can't thing of a single trans woman who wants to 'harass lesbians' most trans people date trans people, honestly you just sound like you want to hate them and no matter what they do you will hate them

It’s the cheating in Women’s sports and harassing of lesbians by male bodied persons that is so offensive to many women.

A barrel scraping male hopeless at sport can self ID as a woman and get top place.

No wonder there are heated feelings.

Blaire White seems eminently sensible however.

@Thesunnymood you're right, sex, sexuality and gender reassignment i feel falls under the same umbrella though but yeah my bad

@TastesLikeStrawberriesOnASummerEvening well sexuality is lgtbq and that's on the list so i don't understand what you mean

It's actually gender re-assignment, not identity

Sorry, I wasn't clear, I meant what on the list of LGBTQ+++++ is a protected characteristic?
Is two spirit?

@TastesLikeStrawberriesOnASummerEvening a protected characteristic is something that is if a person has that characteristic then they aren't allowed to be discriminated against, some include, race, sexuality, marriage and yes gender identity, meaning that they have a right to protection and cannot be removed from a workplace or an institution based on that characteristic, ie when so many people last year were annoyed that that trans student gave a speech at that university and said that they shouldn't have been allowed, well legally they couldn't stop them

What is a protected characteristic?

also the rainbow has been the flag for lgbtq+ people for literally about 100 years now it's not this huge 'woke thing' anyone ever heard of being a friend of dorothy because of the rainbow, honestly you do all sound genuinely homophobic, and trans people paved the way for lgbtq rights so all the transphobic lesbians need to be quiet aswell, trans people exist, you'll never wipe them out sucks to be you i guess

yes there is other acceptance months to do with disabilities, lgbtq+ people deserve to be shown acceptance and yes maybe it is commercialised but the movement as a whole is important and yes its a protected characteristic by law so showing some acceptance by the companies is only going to help them

But yes, it's performative bollocks. Totally agree there

Do you also check their African and Asian branches?

I always check to see if the companies also change the logo of their Middle Eastern branch to the Pride logo. If they don't (which is always the case), I know that it's just performative allyship.

Not being funny, but rainbows don't solely belong to the Pride brigade. Kids love rainbows. Rainbows are actually a Christian symbol of God's promise as well.

I don’t feel very strongly about companies putting rainbows on their logos. I grew up in Brighton and a whole bunch of pubs and other businesses flew rainbow flags outside to show that they were cool with gay people being themselves - although I will say that, if they weren’t, they were in the wrong town.

I do feel strongly about companies doing this (or putting up massive things about how sad they are about the Queen dying) while cutting their services to all their customers. My bank has closed down loads of their smaller branches and has cut the counter service in Brighton so it stops at 2pm (and isn’t open at all at the weekend). The result is that, at times, people have to queue for an hour to speak to a person.

I expect all businesses to be inclusive of their staff and customers, regardless of whether they choose to fly the rainbow flag. I also expect them to do the thing they exist to do - provide a sensible service.

No not on mumsnet. You have to be one extreme or the other. It’s the rules.

❤️ Beautifully said.

What absolutely raises my hackles is when men say they “Identify as Lesbian”.
Heterosexual males who are sexually attracted to women.

Aggressive heterosexuals have indeed taken over Pride.

YANBU.

The following is a quote from Fred Sargeant who was co-founder of Pride.

"Pride has morphed from a public gathering of LGBs to commemorate an event and promote liberation, to a month long cultish, paraphilic, commercialized ritual that commences annually with The Great Transing. I dread this month."

I couldn't agree more.

Im gay and I absolutely hate it.

The LGB had a pride day, The rest of the WiFi password that can't go five seconds without being validated demanded the month, and of course was given it because its a cynical cash cow for corporations to merchandise rainbow themed tat.

Personally, I think the LGB spent long enough being criminalised, fired, bloodied in the street and spat at for who they loved for decades enough to take a day to celebrate equality, which is all we ever fought for. Nothing additional and nothing out of the ordinary.

Pride in its current form has been appropriated largely by aggressive and homophobic heterosexuals who think that their daily changing "identities" make them both "the most oppressed" and therefore "the most vocal" under the alphabet banner which has precious little to do with the LGB anymore.

Pride now caters to that demographic, not homosexuals.
Actual homosexuals have been removed, sometimes violently from Pride events for statements like "Lesbians dont have penises" or wearing LGB Alliance T shirts.
Same sex attraction is referred to as "bigotry" "a genital fetish" and a "transphobic dog whistle" by those who now occupy centre stage through sheer obnoxiousness and pandering.

There are loads of LGBs who absolutely hate it and go out of their way to avoid brands that promote it. The forced teaming is imploding quite spectacularly.

It's an embarrasment.