Men. Men. Men. Men. Men.

Brois Johnson is being asked to hand over his notebooks from covid, and hes threatening to sack his legal counsel and get a new one charging 1.25 million to the taxpayer for the privilege

I would imagine MP enticed into a brothel by a russian agent was supposed to distract us

Anyway, back to the thread. This incident happened last year, when Boris Johnston was still in charge. Why is it only coming out now? These sorts of things are usually kept in the cupboard and spoonfed to the media slowly to use up attention when something else is happening, or (more boringly) dumped out in the course of unpleasant individuals furiously trying to stab each other in the back.

Thank you @Maverickess and @Catchasingmewithspiders

It’s so tedious, predictable and the motivation is so highly questionable.

We do understand

We do understand that on any thread discussing men as a class at least one poster normally more will pop up to helpfully remind us NAMALT along with those telling us 'not my Nigel'

All it is is an attempt to stop women from being able to discuss how mens behaviour generally impacts women and society by trying to limit us to only talking about specific men rather than trends and statistics.

You never hear 'not all women' because its only men who are protected like this. Its tedious, its boring and we see you.

Yeah, and as usual someone has come along with NAMALT and that's the discussion about yet another man's crappy behaviour and attempts to make him the victim because he's been caught, diverted again.
Which someone cynical would say is the whole intention.

The tile is ‘men, men, men…’ because we’re discussing behaviour that men exhibit and women don’t.

See the difference?

Hahaha I knew you would retort with "you don't understand"

👍🏼

No, you don’t understand.

We know NAMALT. You telling us adds nothing to the discussion.

Not all men, but when it happens, it’s inevitably men.

Yes I think we have established that we are going round in circles in that we agree on that part!!

My issue has always been the title and the generalisation!

No use in discussing it further because you just don't understand

Not all men, but too fucking many.

But once again @scoobycute - WE KNOW.

We know not all men are like that! I’m surrounded by good men who couldn’t be less like that if they tried!

All the people (or at least 98% +) who do behave like this are men, though.

@SargentSagittarius "It’s the weird, desperate need to protect the poor men - who neither care, let alone would ever thank them for it - that seems so odd to me."

There's nothing weird or desperate about speaking out on behalf of decent men who are not like the men in that article. Of which there are many.

Hatred towards all men based off a disgusting small percentage is called Misandry and I'm absolutely bored listening to feminists and their "men men men" rants

It’s the weird, desperate need to protect the poor men - who neither care, let alone would ever thank them for it - that seems so odd to me.

Tribal mentality?
Unable to think critically?
Internalised misogyny?

I mean, how is saying ‘not all men do this’ helpful?

What is it meant to achieve?

It’s stating the bleeding obvious, and also trying to diminish the behaviour of the not insignifiant men who do do it.

I’m highly suspicious of the motivation behind people who spew NAMALT on threads like this. It’s so weird.

Although I do think the op is guilty of getting the theme tune for the awful Two and a half men in my head.

But then now I've got it in everyone else's.

So... Touche?

I worked a 14 hour shift away from my family yesterday and didn't 'find' myself naked in a brothel at 4am.

It's just so typical that they've managed to shoe horn the word victim, pertaining to the poor man of course, into it, and how he 'found' himself in a brothel. I mean none of it could possibly be a result of his own choices or be any of his responsibility at all.

No, not all men end up in that predicament, no.

But such an enormous amount of men who wield power, be it through politics, music, film whatever, it's not really appropriate to be defensive and say not all men.

Either society is patriarchal and rewards and excuses that type of man/behaviour, or that type of man is attracted to power.

Either way, it's worth discussing and not shut down with not all men.

I mean, my husband would fall into the 'not all men' category, but he's not a power seeker so men like him aren't represented at higher levels. It's worth exploring why that is. He's also not such a delicate soul that he can't understand that we have a big 'men' problem in general without getting defensive.
Men need to start having these conversations, as women get shouted down with not all men.

I'd have more sympathy for not all men if men werent statistically more likely to believe a woman is at fault if she gets raped.

Women are berated constantly with not all men, yet 'not all women are like that' isn't even a phrase despite the media, and some mens constant drip drip drip of blame.

With all due respect, whatever, really!

Of course it’s not ‘all men’ who do this 😑 - not one single person needs this pointing out. it is so, so tired. I don’t know a single man who would do this.

But it is only men who get honey trapped, end up in brothels and cavorting with prostitutes.

Hence: ‘men, men, men, men, men’.

Given the headline is basically blaming a woman, and yet women get blamed if ther drinks are spiked, men men men is a bit of a balance to the media going women women women really

@SargentSagittarius @SirVixofVixHall but you know I'm not stating that's it's not always men who end up in these predicaments? It is!!!

I'm just saying not all men end up in these predicaments

Some men are rotten. Not all "men men men men men"

Urgh. Men are gross.
Must have been a woman's fault obviously 🙄

It’s ‘honey trap’, but yes, very much agree.

Why is it when a woman gets her drink spiked it ends up with warnings about not leaving your drink unguarded, don't go out alone, etc etc basically implying that if a woman doesn't behave properly then it's her fault.

But when a man goes put drinking alone and (allegedly) gets his drink spiked its a "honeypots" fault.

Its never not a woman's fault is it?

I bet he doesn't get asked questions by the police about what clothes he was wearing and what colour was his underwear.