Do you find this offensive?

@HeartBrokenWife To avoid all possibility of confusion,* *So if the request was redefined to ask those races who aren't Caribbean, African, Oceanic, etc, etc, to consider coming a different night, based on your answer you wouldn't have an issue? True or False?

No I didn't introduce it, it's been in the theaters request the whole time.
But you're free to take it out of the equation, I said in my original question no one can identify in or out of race, just pass, or lie, either for survival, or race faking.

They aren't banned.

Even if they were though, would you think a decent man (for example) should be offended if a theatre was putting on a play with feminist themes and wanted to have an 'all female audience' night once in a run of 30 nights, including a Q&A discussion after the play?

If a man said he was offended by that concept, would you think he was being reasonable or unreasonable?

If white people were actually banned then yes its offensive.

Ah, but now you've introduced the concept of 'identifying' so that's changed the question.

Can you rewrite that please? I've no idea what you're trying to say.

Blimey! Do you want to see my academic qualifications if you are calling me stupid? Are ad hominem attacks all you've got in your meagre armoury?

@HeartBrokenWife So if it was redefined to ask those races who (using theaters term) don't identify as Caribbean, African, Oceanic, etc, etc, to consider coming a different night, based on your answer you wouldn't have an issue?

Why can I not wish for a safe space?
You can.
Just you must think everyone is fucking stupid if you genuinely believe that they'll fall for that's what your post was doing..

Again, please show me where you have listened to me and to my point of view? You complain that I've not listened to yours, so why have you not listened to mine? It has to cut both ways doesn't it?

That's simply untrue and you know it. Why can I not wish for a safe space? Who is allowed to access those? What characteristics must a poster possess to be allowed to use emojis? Are you trying to deny who I am? To deny my humanity? You should believe who I say I am because I am writing from my own lived experience and no-one can deny my truth ...

Exactly.

I have listened to them, and if that's how they feel, that's fine. But as a white person, I'm not going to tell black people how they should and should not feel about this issue, and I'm not going to ignore the black people that do welcome this. You are.

@HeartBrokenWife You keep waffling on about "the colour bar" now, but you really don't seem to understand what that was either. And by comparing "the colour bar" with this one-night theatre performance - which white people ARE NOT barred from - is honestly just beyond bonkers. Please, please do some research and stop throwing about phrases willy-nilly that you have no understanding of.

I'm white, and I'm aware that black people are not one homogenous voice. But you are not listening to both sides
Same, and exactly.
It's all like "why won't black people educate me?"
Then in the next breath admitting they do listen, just "not to the ones you want me to listen to"
if you're not listening to others, what's the point - just entrench yourself further then your views then instead of learning /enriching.

So where have you listened either to my voice of the voices of black people who disagree with you? I must have missed that post ...

Oh, sorry, I see what you mean now. I was a bit slow to catch on 😮No, it's the skin colour aspect that is worrying me rather than a specific race thing. I am completely opposed to racism and I don't want racial segregation to rear it's head again during my lifetime.

I'm absolutely not against groups with religious affiliations, a passion for cycling, or those needing privacy for safety reasons etc, meeting together and excluding others without those characteristics/wants/needs, but this is a public performance, funded as far as I'm aware by Arts Council England and skin colour should not be factored in to decide who can or cannot attend.

Its not good faith at all and there is an awful lot of DARVO in their answers too

Its very depressing but unsuprising on MN where racist posts are left up far too often so it encourages people to think it's okay to drown out black voices about black issues

I'm white, and I'm aware that black people are not one homogenous voice. But you are not listening to both sides. You're listening to the side that agrees with your narrative and completely refusing to discuss any of the points made by black people that go against your arguments. This faux pretence of being so anti racist is negated by your own ignorance.

70% think this is offensive?!
Pull yourselves together you absolute wallies

So which bit of my argument have you listened to? Self-awareness deficit methinks ...

Not true. I am listening to some black people, just not the ones that you want me to listen to! I have friends who are completely against the re-introduction of racial discrimination and I have seen many podcasts by black men and women who feel exactly the same. I will re-iterate, black people are not a homogenous mass and neither are white people. It is offensive to act as though they are, especially if you are not black yourself. You may be black for all I know, and so may I as far as you know, but either way, there is no one black or white voice that speaks for everyone. If there were, we wouldn't be having this debate would we?

@HeartBrokenWife I understand what you're saying and if that's what was happening I'd agree with you, but you're stepping past the question and not answering it: Is your objection because it's being requested by groups of races defining themselves by color, rather than a specific race, ie Maori?

Yep, exactly.
Instead of listening got their fingers in their ears.

But it is happening so same question to you? I will repeat for possibly the thousandth time (hyperbole I know, but it's getting tiring now having to deal with bad faith arguments) that I am against the re-introduction of the colour bar. Public performances should be for the general public and no-one should be excluded based on skin colour. There are reasons for excluding certain people from certain things, but not for the colour of their skin. It didn't work the last time we tried it, so why will it work now?