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Blondewithredlips · 24/05/2023 23:21

My Ex-H and I have grown up children. I have not seen or been in contact with him for years.
Unfortunately I will see him at an important celebration for one of the children. I booked a restaurant for myself and children and said I would pay as a treat.
It looks like he will be coming along too. He has form for being mean with money and contributed very little financially to the children.
How do I make sure he pays for his own meal and drinks without making things awkward. Don't care about his feelings...

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ThereIbledit · 25/05/2023 13:44

I know you say you're all only in the city for a few hours - any wiggle room on that? Have a wetherspoons type lunch with him (they have an app, so he can order and pay for himself like a big boy) and pretend that you're all finishing at 3pm but then go for an afternoon tea somewhere fancy just the three of you? Intersperse it with a trip to a museum or film if you like. I don't even think that needs to be kept a secret, it'll just be "Oh this has been lovely hasn't it, now I've booked a table for me and the girls for afternoon tea for later on so we need to go, cheerio!"

Blondewithredlips · 25/05/2023 13:31

Chickenkeev · 25/05/2023 13:24

I think you're possibly correct quite correct about confrontation being unavoidable eg OP advises ex in advance of travel to event that she won't pay, he might turn around and say to DC oh, i can't afford it now so can't come. OP advises on night, some sort of scene or atmosphere spoils the evening.

If he told DC he could not afford the meal they would not believe him as he is not struggling financially.

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Blondewithredlips · 25/05/2023 13:29

QueenieMe · 25/05/2023 13:18

Apologises if this has already been suggested, but when the bill comes, divide the figure between number of people present then work out his share. So if there's six of you, ask him for a sixth, then you cover the rest. Tell the waiter the exact amount you're paying when you hand over your card and then point him towards your ex to settle the rest. Hopefully he won't argue with that.

I like this idea

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Chickenkeev · 25/05/2023 13:24

GasPanic · 25/05/2023 13:14

The problem is it sounds like you are making the meal all about the beef you have with your Ex H (which may well be legitimate) and not about the actual celebration itself.

So you run the risk of turning the celebration into a mess because your Ex. H is an arsehole. How that will pan out, whether your kids will blame you or your ex. H for it is hard to determine.

I'd ask myself the question whether it's really worth it.

You can come up with all sorts of ways to separate out the costs and the restuarant will almost certainly accommodate you. For example you could ask the restaurant to do a set menu for a set number at a set price and pay in advance. But probably anything you do is likely to lead to some confrontation if your Ex. H is as tight fisted as you say he is, and that confrontation is likely to bring the celebration down.

I would probably pay, and have a quiet word with your kids that in the future if they want to celebrate with their father separately then that's fine but not together with you.

I think you're possibly correct quite correct about confrontation being unavoidable eg OP advises ex in advance of travel to event that she won't pay, he might turn around and say to DC oh, i can't afford it now so can't come. OP advises on night, some sort of scene or atmosphere spoils the evening.

QueenieMe · 25/05/2023 13:18

Apologises if this has already been suggested, but when the bill comes, divide the figure between number of people present then work out his share. So if there's six of you, ask him for a sixth, then you cover the rest. Tell the waiter the exact amount you're paying when you hand over your card and then point him towards your ex to settle the rest. Hopefully he won't argue with that.

GasPanic · 25/05/2023 13:14

The problem is it sounds like you are making the meal all about the beef you have with your Ex H (which may well be legitimate) and not about the actual celebration itself.

So you run the risk of turning the celebration into a mess because your Ex. H is an arsehole. How that will pan out, whether your kids will blame you or your ex. H for it is hard to determine.

I'd ask myself the question whether it's really worth it.

You can come up with all sorts of ways to separate out the costs and the restuarant will almost certainly accommodate you. For example you could ask the restaurant to do a set menu for a set number at a set price and pay in advance. But probably anything you do is likely to lead to some confrontation if your Ex. H is as tight fisted as you say he is, and that confrontation is likely to bring the celebration down.

I would probably pay, and have a quiet word with your kids that in the future if they want to celebrate with their father separately then that's fine but not together with you.

Blondewithredlips · 25/05/2023 13:14

Thanks very much for all your replies and suggestions. Sorry I have not answered everyone.
DC whose event it is was very upset when we divorced. DC is so kind and thoughtful I just want them to have good memories. They asked me about him attending the event before he was invited. The meal was my idea as a treat but ex will not know I plan to pay for the meal. He has form for being mean with money and will probably try his luck on the night. For example not volunteer to pay his way and bank on not being asked as it could cause a scene.
Unfortunately there cannot be two separate celebrations as we are all in the city for a few hours.
I have a good relationship with my adult children and don't want them to have to point out to their father how a normal person should behave. They are very aware of his behaviour with money.
I was thinking of telling him face to face at the event that I will not be paying for him and also discreetly ask the waiting staff to have two bills running right from the start and tell him this before we go to the restaurant.

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Atishoos · 25/05/2023 13:13

mumofteenss · 25/05/2023 11:37

Id have told the DC no. They are adults, there comes a point in time they have to accept that small family events dont include both parents following the breakdown of a marriage. Large, celebrations, like wedding, graduations, etc yes of course you will have to suffer the ex. A small celebratory intimate family meal? Absolutely not. If they want to celebrate with both parents, they and their siblings can meet one parent for lunch and another for dinner.

You must have been reading my mind, I was just about to say exactly the same thing. Let him do either lunch or dinner, and OP vice versa. As you say it is a different story for life events.

The adult child should have had more cop on than to put this unnecessary stuff on OP. Bet he is not one bit worried about anything.

Dagnabit · 25/05/2023 13:08

When you see him at the meal, ask if he wants to split the bill 50/50 or whether he just wants to pay for what he has. He is the one who will come across as petty if he doesn’t split it.

Longdarkcloud · 25/05/2023 13:04

OP avoid any suggestion of 50/50 as some posters have suggested because then you will end up sharing the extra expense of his booze.
How did your DC word their invitation? It may not have sounded like you were hosting and paying for the meal. If ex is disabused he may decide not to bother to attend.
I this event is to celebrate a graduation then how galling for you who has assisted with fees and support to have him muscle in on reflected glory.
Good luck with how you manage this.

whynotwhatknot · 25/05/2023 12:43

How can she text him they dont have any contact

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 25/05/2023 12:40

Blondewithredlips · 25/05/2023 12:35

Good idea

This is even better though

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 25/05/2023 12:39

WhyamIinahandcartandwherearewegoing · 25/05/2023 10:36

This is good advice 👍

Yes I think this is good, and I’d say it before you for the meal if you have his contact details.

If you wait til the day you might get “oh I was told this was your treat”

”Hi X, I’ve heard you’re coming along to the meal on the Y date. Do you want to go 50:50 to treat the kids, or will you just be paying for yourself?”

Ideally by text so there’s no room to deny it had been said.

Then on the day, ask the waiter to split the bills as others have said.

whynotwhatknot · 25/05/2023 12:38

Thats the thing if he has form the special event is going to be ruined by him so wont even be worth it

Blondewithredlips · 25/05/2023 12:37

Loverofoxbowlakes · 25/05/2023 07:59

Quite.

I've been both the child and the adult in this circumstance. In your place I would ask the dc to confirm in advance with their dad that he will be paying for his own food and drink, that way there will be no confusion at the time. They're old enough to know that things aren't great between you but you are being the bigger person by accepting that the dc wants their father to join you all for this meal, but not to pay for dad's meal.

DCs aren't stupid. It's absolutely right that they want dad to be there but accept that things aren't rosy and that YOUR invite did not extend to dad, OK if he tags along BUT he need to pay for himself.

I know that feeling of dread op, but try to not let it cloud what sounds like a fabulous celebration. Hard, I know.

Thanks for this post. I just want my child to have a lovely time. They are so lovely and deserve a fabulous day.

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Shinyandnew1 · 25/05/2023 12:35

Blondewithredlips · 25/05/2023 12:32

I really can't do that. I agreed and I want my DC to have good memories of this event. Prepared to put up with him and be polite but not happy to pay his part of the bill due to the financial mess he caused by not contributing financially for his children.

Based on what you’ve posted, I think you are naive to think that he will come and pay for his share.

I wouldn’t put myself in that situation. You want a nice meal with your kids-it Doesn’t sound like that will happen if he comes. I think your child should arrange to see him separately.

Lingfield01 · 25/05/2023 12:35

Just tell him. If his feelings don’t matter then what difference will it make?

Blondewithredlips · 25/05/2023 12:35

OneLittleFinger · 25/05/2023 07:45

Arrange with non-celebrating children that you will reimburse them but that they'll need to pay on the night. So it appears that you pay for yourself and birthday child, everyone else pays for themselves. You can 'agree' this at the table to begin with so ex is forewarned. Then you're not seemingly leaving him out, but he cannr argue if the kids are paying for themselves.

Good idea

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Shinyandnew1 · 25/05/2023 12:34

Blondewithredlips · 24/05/2023 23:37

Yes

That’s a conversation to have with your child then.

Crikeyalmightey · 25/05/2023 12:33

If I were you I would leave my money at home and let him cover the bill.

Blondewithredlips · 25/05/2023 12:32

femfemlicious · 25/05/2023 05:26

For me, I would tell the child that I would rather he doesn't come and tell why. I think kids should be told these things .

I really can't do that. I agreed and I want my DC to have good memories of this event. Prepared to put up with him and be polite but not happy to pay his part of the bill due to the financial mess he caused by not contributing financially for his children.

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Blondewithredlips · 25/05/2023 12:29

Godlovesall26 · 25/05/2023 01:55

Is there a reason they are hoping for him to change ? Has he got closer to them ? Otherwise the notifying the restaurant seems the only way

He has form for letting them down last minute. One DC has already predicted it. I don't think he is particularly close to them but they love him.

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FrenchandSaunders · 25/05/2023 12:28

I presume it's a graduation? Nice for your DC to have their dad at that, but I can see why it could be really awkward for you.

I'd ask for the bill at the end, ensure it is given to you and then mentally take off what he has eaten/drunk .... tell the waiter you're paying x amount and ex DH is paying the remainder.

Thursdayschild1 · 25/05/2023 12:28

I'd literally just put a smile on my face for the children and just pay, if he offers fine if not fine too. Its a one off & life is too short. I would avoid making a landmark birthday being about who paid for what. Your children will thank you for it & will already know the bigger picture. I think the fact the child invited him speaks volumes & shows they are hoping things can be put to one side and the event can be about them & their celebration not who's paying for what.

Lifesagamethentheytaketheboardaway · 25/05/2023 12:16

bookworm44 · 25/05/2023 12:04

What a nasty suggestion, to involve the children and make them feel stressed and shit on their special day.

The OP said the kids are adults and already know everything.

There isn’t anything a nasty about telling an adult, who invited someone else without asking the OP, that the extra person needs to pay for themselves and since the adult child invited them, they can be the one to pass that message on.