Leaving dog for 12 hours

Some people get a cleaner (who likes dogs9 to come in on the day they will be away for a long time; the house gets cleaned and the dog gets a little low-key human company at the same time.

Exactly. Some of these people need to work in a shelter. There you will see real cruelty.

A dog walker would be much cheaper than daycare, the dog would get a nice break and hopefully have a nice run around and come home tired enough ti sleep the afternoon away. It’s still not ideal but it would be a lot better than being stuck at home for 12 hours.

This thread has gone a bit bonkers.

This dog is well cared for. So much hysteria about cruelty.

Parallel universe of Mumsnet strikes again. 🤯🤯🤯🤯

Give over.

Seriously. This lady is not cruel.

I always find it a bit strange when people say they know that their dog just sleeps all day because they have a camera. Yes, dogs do sleep a lot and especially older dogs and certain breeds. And aside from that, yes of course they’d sleep all day! What else are they going to do when they’re alone and there is no stimulation or entertainment or even a human to look at? 🤔

Yes exactly @CleverLilViper I had a lot of arguments on another thread like this.

People claiming their dogs were happy being left all day (how did they know).

The most annoying argument is ‘well what are people who work full time supposed to do? Not have a dog?’ Er yes!! You don’t have a right to have a dog.

God you're exhausting. Have you read my previous post about life circumstances changing? What then?

It's like arguing with a brick wall. Have I said in any of my posts that yes, you should definitely leave your dog for 12 hours alone because it's great to do that? No. I've said myself that it ISN'T IDEAL. Sometimes however needs must.

Exactly @CleverLilViper .

There's a huge difference between having an existing dog and life happening as it inevitably does and deliberately getting a puppy in the full knowledge it will be expected to be on its own for significant periods of time.

No one is obliged to get a dog, but once you've got one you really should try to be a decent owner.

Getting a dog isn’t an obligation. If your work or lifestyle means being out for a significant portion of the day and you’re unable or unwilling to pay for doggy daycare then you don’t get a dog. It’s really simple.

there’s more than sufficient evidence that suggests that dogs shouldn’t be left for more than 4 hours at a time.

No they’re not helpless toddlers but they are living creatures with feelings and require care and stimulus which they’re not getting if their owner is fucking off for 12 hours at a time on a regular basis.

There is tons of evidenced research to state that a dog left alone for more than 4 hours is seriously detrimental to it's well being. If a dog is regularly left longer than that, then something needs to change.

12 hours is utterly unacceptable, and twice a week even more so. If she can't care for the dog properly (even if that means paying for doggy daycare) then she shouldn't have it.

End of.

Too late, sorry! Have always had dogs. All I was trying to say is that they are intelligent animals, but they are dogs...animals, not a helpless toddler.

How about giving dogs more credit for being intelligent animals rather than helpless children that need a human there 24/7. Most of them will be fine alone for part of a day. I didn't say all, I am aware that some dogs won't cope.

If you could actually read I also said 12hrs is not ideal. I didn't come on the thread saying oh yay 12hrs is great - everyone should leave their dogs for this long! I was simply saying that some people can't due to working hours. I guess reading comprehension is difficult for some.

I also didn't come on here just to call people cunts like several other pleasant posters. But they are more edgy than me so yeah...good for them.

Please never own a dog.

Anyone saying the nonsense above shouldn’t ever be allowed to have a dog or any animal really.

Why get a dog if you don’t have the time for it? Your MIL sounds like she’s completely clueless and incapable of looking after a dog. I’d never leave my dogs for more than 4 hours at a time without sufficient care. That involves far more than just letting him out to pee.

Re dogs roaming, how come they don’t get shot by farmers or rounded up by The Powers That Be?

I think 12hrs is too long to be alone twice a week

Can the dog come to yours so you don't have to go there

Or a dog Walker to pop in and grab for an hours walk mid day

A yr old dog is still a puppy so needs interaction and love

Actually, most dogs find mixing with dogs that they don't know stressful to at least some degree. Socialisation in kennels can be really stressful.

It’s not MILs in particular that I call cunts, it’s people that don’t provide a good home to the animals that they choose to have. This woman just happens to be OPs MIL. She leaves her dog for 12 hours, so yes, she’s a cunt.

I agree. But it’s sad that lots on here leave dogs all day.

They justify it by saying ‘what are you supposed to do if you go out to work’ which my answer is ‘don’t get a dog’.

Some people think they have a god given right to own a dog despite not having a lifestyle that would suit that. So these poor dogs are left shut in a house on their own all day. It’s cruel. They are sociable creatures.

I only agreed to get a dog because I work part time from home. And DH also works from home a couple of times a week.

If my daughter/son-in-law thought marrying one of my children entitled them to interfere in my life like this and indeed enter my house without my knowledge and permission (which is beyond rude) I am afraid the locks would be changed and babysitting would come to a sharp halt.

Thankfully, I cannot imagine any of them having such poor social skills to do it for such a non-problem.

I give no fucks if that makes me a cunt. Too old to bother tolerating toxic, judgemental, family anymore.

@Superdupes, that’s a good point about dogs roaming. I’ve noticed this in various parts of Europe. Dogs with collars who look well cared for just wandering around the neighbourhoods. They get a lot of exercise and stimulation and presumably don’t need as much walking and stimulation from their owners.

Some people only come on MN to call MiLs cunts.

It's a dog ffs. It's not sitting there watching the clock all day. Plus a neighbour is letting it out.

There's a reason rescues say 4 hours is the very max a dog should be left alone. Dogs are pack animals and social creatures, they might resign themselves to being left alone but it doesn't mean they're ok with it or happy, they just literally have no other choice.

People who are going to be out for big chunks of the day need to have a dog walker/day care, if you can't afford a dog walker or day care then you can't afford to look after your dog properly and no you shouldn't have one.

It might only be in recent times that people think dogs shouldn't be left alone but before that they probably spent a lot of their time out roaming around like they still do in places in Europe - either that or people just didn't know better. People are very selfish and will come up with anything to excuse treating their pets badly.

Some people are selfish bastards who shouldn't be allowed to have pets. Yanbu. Dogs should not be kept alone for that length of time; people do it but it's very cruel.

Not ideal but isn't abuse and honestly isn't the end of the world.
Keep in mind in settings like rescue (I worked in one) dogs can spends weeks or months alone for 20 plus hours a day. It's not against any laws.
Some dogs cope better than others if the dog is used to this routine it should be fine.