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Or over sensitive re comments about PT work?

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Bluerossettes · 14/05/2023 07:49

I work three days a week, Monday - Wednesday. And I’m getting so much grief about it at work it’s really putting me off mentioning anything about it at all and in fact I try not to but sometimes I do have to, if only to remind people I can’t do something as I won’t be here.

I get some quite nasty comments about ‘lucky me’ and some groans and eye rolls about huh yeah, see you next week then.

Generally it isn’t a happy place at the moment for all sorts of reasons but it’s getting a bit much now. I have tried pointing out (in a ‘nice’ way) that part time is an option to everybody and also that I’m spending my days off with preschool children - they really aren’t relaxing days off at all! - but to no avail.

Is it worth saying something? I don’t want to come across badly but I do think I’ve been targeted a bit.

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emanresu000 · 14/05/2023 12:07

It is sad to see that this sort of 'culture' is still around. When I started work (late seventies) 'part-timer' was a sort of tongue-in-the-cheek insult thrown at anyone who left work a little early, did not work the full five days a week (or whatever the general shift pattern was). It was as if anyone who worked part-time hours really did not need to go out to work, and the attitude was prevalent amongst women, towards women.

Working patterns have changed. For example, many people will have several part time jobs, and , according to Carers UK, about 60% of unpaid carers are women. Many part-time employees are working (paid or unpaid) many more hours than an individual with just one full time position It is such a shame that attitudes towards part time staff have not kept pace with the times.

Ignore these people. Their comments show their lack of awareness.

TiredOfCleaning · 14/05/2023 12:03

The poster is the one hearing these comments and the context and the way they are said and what body language accompanies it. So she is best placed to know if they are snide and meant as being snide. IMO.

Antisocialfluffmonster · 14/05/2023 12:00

electriclight · 14/05/2023 11:14

Still can't see anything snide or shitty. Just tell us what they've said. Or is that it? Because you still just sound over sensitive to me.

I’ve had people bully me in a workplace using nice words at the wrong time and in a not nice way.

oh is that you off home early then? This was back when I spent a week in a different office and a week at home, i arrived on time on Monday, worked late and early all week didn’t take endless lunches, didn’t indulge in workplace yoga which and left early afternoon on a Friday for the 6 hour drive home.

there was a concerted effort by the younger colleagues and the trendy boss to put me in my place for having the absolute audacity to take a senior job when I was disabled widow with two kids. It was relentless and the boss spurred them on. I ended up asking for a demotion and went back to my old job. It wasn’t just me they did it to, and what can you say, they were only saying nice things?

the words themselves don’t have to be abusive for the conversation. To be abusive

PinkCherryBlossoms · 14/05/2023 11:59

Sittinginmysunnygarden · 14/05/2023 11:19

Likewise!

Well no, because I haven't claimed anything to be fact here. That was just you.

onlyjustme · 14/05/2023 11:48

You need to change your mentality about your Thursday and Friday before you can change it of those around you...
You are not having a "day off" on Thursday and Friday any more than your colleagues have a "day off" on Saturday and Sunday.
They are not "days off" they are NON-WORKING DAYS.
(And also unpaid!)
I see you have already mentioned the pay... I got called out for being part time and I replied with "part time pay" which made them stop and think... [Although it is much more than 60% take home after tax etc... going from 0.5 to full time definitely did NOT double may take home pay!]
To be honest I found working part time was the worst of both worlds...

You can respond with a comment or you can ignore it. You should NOT let it get to you so much.

Bluerossettes · 14/05/2023 11:35

@electriclight because you don’t want to.

You want this thread to be me angrily reacting to a jokey comment, and you’re pretty fixed in that view.

@WhutWhutWhut i don’t think it is particularly petty to be honest. It’s really making me uncomfortable, and despite what some have decided I’m really not normally one to overreact to such things. I’ve shrugged it off for ages but nine months later it is really starting to shift from annoying to being quite targeted. I shouldn’t have to be watching every word I say to colleagues.

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WhutWhutWhut · 14/05/2023 11:29

Bluerossettes · 14/05/2023 08:31

i don’t think anything I say will shut them up. I think I’d either have to go down the semi formal route of having them spoken to by a LM or grit my teeth and put up with it. It’s horrible though, it’s no wonder hardly any men go part time Hmm

You have to tackle it first.
Just tell them to stop with the comments.
If it continues then escalate.
Tbh I doubt your LM will be thrilled to get involved in petty stuff like this.
I found a big smile and "aaaaah the weekend starts now" shut them up!!

StrictlyAFemaleFemale · 14/05/2023 11:24

I'd confront them: I don't know what your problem with pt is, and frankly I don't care. These comments have been made for x months and the next person who makes one will have an official complaint made against them.

Sittinginmysunnygarden · 14/05/2023 11:19

PinkCherryBlossoms · 14/05/2023 10:03

Your methodology sounds dead rigorous.

Likewise!

electriclight · 14/05/2023 11:14

Bluerossettes · 14/05/2023 10:30

@electriclight i literally say this in my OP

”I get some quite nasty comments about ‘lucky me’ and some groans and eye rolls about huh yeah, see you next week then.”

You’ve worked in lots of schools and you’ve never, ever encountered anything but good natured teasing. Great. Do you think that means that it can simply never happen, then?

Teasing it might be but it isn’t particularly good natured! Hence why I’m really sick of it now.

It isn’t ‘always reminding people I’m part time’ if I say ‘bye’, is it? I did used to say see you next week but have stopped because of the comments but doesn’t make a difference.

@HundredMilesAnHour i know, there’s a lot of general unhappiness I think, some of it is linked to work but some of it just to peoples lives. I am not unsympathetic to that, but I don’t want to bear the brunt of peoples frustrations and unhappiness either.

Still can't see anything snide or shitty. Just tell us what they've said. Or is that it? Because you still just sound over sensitive to me.

DontMakeMeShushYou · 14/05/2023 11:07

Endlesssummer2022 · 14/05/2023 09:23

Was there a need to be so aggressive? I was just stating what I see at my workplace in relation to some PTs. I wasn’t attacking PT.

And neither do I have ‘weak boundaries’. I’m in the senior leadership team on 6 figures so to be honest eyebrows would be raised if I didn’t work long hours sometimes to ensure specific deadlines are met. Where I work although it’s not expected to always be working over hours, it’s expected that from time to time you work longer to get projects over the line.

I really don't think that I was aggressive in any way but hey ho.

I'm also in a senior leadership role in my organisation and I don't allow this to go on with my staff. No-one works over hours in my team and it isn't a 'culture' I would support in any way. I encourage my team to have strong boundaries between work and their actual life. If anyone on my team had to work longer hours to complete a project then that time would be given back to them in the form of flexi hours so they wouldn't lose out overall. If someone was choosing to work longer hours than they are contracted to do, I would be looking to see what support they require to prevent that.

Bluerossettes · 14/05/2023 10:36

I am lucky in all sorts of ways.

I am healthy. I have a healthy child.

I have the choice re part time work.

Many others I won’t list here. It doesn’t mean I or anyone should have to have snide comments relating to that luck.

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PinkCherryBlossoms · 14/05/2023 10:31

What's lucky is having the choice. Being able to work full time and afford childcare isn't lucky if you want a part time job but can't get one. Being a SAHM isn't lucky if you've had to do it because your DC needs a full time carer. Being part time isn't lucky if you wanted a full time job but couldn't afford childcare.

Bluerossettes · 14/05/2023 10:30

@electriclight i literally say this in my OP

”I get some quite nasty comments about ‘lucky me’ and some groans and eye rolls about huh yeah, see you next week then.”

You’ve worked in lots of schools and you’ve never, ever encountered anything but good natured teasing. Great. Do you think that means that it can simply never happen, then?

Teasing it might be but it isn’t particularly good natured! Hence why I’m really sick of it now.

It isn’t ‘always reminding people I’m part time’ if I say ‘bye’, is it? I did used to say see you next week but have stopped because of the comments but doesn’t make a difference.

@HundredMilesAnHour i know, there’s a lot of general unhappiness I think, some of it is linked to work but some of it just to peoples lives. I am not unsympathetic to that, but I don’t want to bear the brunt of peoples frustrations and unhappiness either.

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AudreyBabs · 14/05/2023 10:25

Sittinginmysunnygarden · 14/05/2023 09:57

It’s very much about luck. Many many people would want to work part time but are unable to. You’re lucky to be able to do it.

Stop whining about it.

I wonder if it's considered luck that childcare costs price many women out of full time work?

electriclight · 14/05/2023 10:24

PP makes a good point. Do they say the same stuff to other pt staff?

I've worked in a lot of schools and am really struggling to imagine anything other than envious, good natured teasing about how lucky you are to be disappearing on Wednesday and missing the extra-long staff meeting on Thursday or whatever it is.

electriclight · 14/05/2023 10:21

Can you give us some examples of the 'snide shitty' comments please?

Because in your op you say they refer to you as 'lucky' and that isn't particularly snide or shitty.

Do they come up and say these things without any context, because that would be odd?

Or in response to you saying that you're not in tomorrow, or that you won't be at the staff meeting, or whatever?

Because I guess their op might be 'I don't know how to respond when X is always reminding us that she's part time.'

It just sounds like nothing to me, absolutely nothing. You're supposed to enjoy the working arrangement you chose, and those who can't afford to do it are often going to be a bit jealous.

Greenfairydust · 14/05/2023 10:19

''@Sittinginmysunnygarden · Today 09:49
Mumsnet isn’t reflective of the real world. On here you’ll mostly get supportive comments from like minded women.

Unfortunately in the real world, part timers are carried by their full time colleagues mostly.

You’re very lucky to be able to work part time for whatever reasons - suck it up buttercup!''

Such an ignorant comment...

HundredMilesAnHour · 14/05/2023 10:16

I'm wondering if the reason this has gone on for so long is less about the actual hours you work OP and more about how the others hate their jobs / workplace. If you're unhappy at work, being stuck there for 5 days means you're going to think someone who's only there for 3 days is pretty damn lucky. Regardless of what the part time person does the rest of the time or financial/personal circumstances etc. It could be this simple. It's not about you, it's about them being unhappy.

fairydust11 · 14/05/2023 10:14

I’m also a part time teacher - do you have a job share? If so, are they saying the same thing to them?
Unfortunately, having worked in a toxic school in the past, escalating things may only make it worse.
Personally I wouldn’t be planning to go back to full time in the future to stop bullying, my advice would be to look for a new school where it isn’t so toxic, you have until the end of May to find somewhere else & then resign. I know easier said than done, but there are better workplaces out there, with part time roles. Good luck.

Antisocialfluffmonster · 14/05/2023 10:10

Bedtimemode · 14/05/2023 10:06

Working full time was not an option to me as I wasn't paid enough to cover childcare costs for two children so I don't think it's fair to assume it's some kind of privilege. Not all parents who work part time are doing it because they are well off or "lucky". There's plenty of low income families where one is part time for financial reasons

I’d also point out that many people make life long decisions about training and education at a young age.

those decisions have longer term consequences no one can really predict.

school friends who didn’t put in the effort, now working min wage jobs telling me I’m lucky when I battled through my disability got a degree and worked my way up.

but I was still horrifically luck to have picked a career that allowed me to continue working through being widowed and being ill. If I’d gone for one of my other options of veterinary medicine I’d have been fecked despite that seeing g like a better idea over English.

folks need to focus on their own lives, do the best they can, and work with the situation they’ve got. Anyone bullying someone else due to different choices can quite frankly stuff off. They must be deeply unhappy to make such a constant thing of it. And agree about telling them to take it up with your line a manger

Undethetree · 14/05/2023 10:10

I used to get comments about this, I used to breezing reply "if you have any issues with my working hours, please take it up with my line manager, Jane on extension x89453, shes here all week". We only worked in a tiny office and I always said it in front of my manager (who had approved my working hours). It didn't last long.

Obviously if the manager is part of the problem...... that wouldn't work.

PinkCherryBlossoms · 14/05/2023 10:07

Bluerossettes · 14/05/2023 09:59

Trust me, this isn’t about efficiency or otherwise.

I do think it’s crossed a line to be honest. It isn’t just the comments but also the persistence with making them: you really would think people had got over it by now. I think I’m going to have to go down the very direct route because otherwise it’s going to carry on until I revert to FT hours.

It sounds like that's the right decision for you then. Personally I like to poke stupid with a stick so I'd have some fun with them, but I can see how you might not have the headspace for that if the job feels toxic already.

Bedtimemode · 14/05/2023 10:06

Working full time was not an option to me as I wasn't paid enough to cover childcare costs for two children so I don't think it's fair to assume it's some kind of privilege. Not all parents who work part time are doing it because they are well off or "lucky". There's plenty of low income families where one is part time for financial reasons

PinkCherryBlossoms · 14/05/2023 10:03

Sittinginmysunnygarden · 14/05/2023 10:01

Poor you if you think the opinions on MN are a true reflection of general opinion!

Your methodology sounds dead rigorous.