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AA lied! WWYD?

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misstrot · 09/05/2023 12:48

I am FUMING! Lies! OMG-please read-sorry it's long-I need advice!
DD (20) hit a small piece of debris on motorway on the way home from uni on the motorway. Car seemed ok but next time she took it out it overheated so we called AA. Patrolman said everything was fine-it just needed oil and water (he filled water but we had to go get the oil) Now DD is a bit nervy driving so she asked was he sure it was ok to drive back to uni (2 hr drive) and he assured her-yes. Then I asked him and he said he 'wouldn't send a young girl onto the motorway in the car if he didn't believe the car was perfectly safe and roadworthy' Enter DH who asks him is he sure ok-doesn't need to be checked at the garage as his DD is very precious and he wants her to be safe etc-again AA reiterates 'all safe-all roadworthy-doesn't need anything doing"- I follow him to the van to input my email/sign attendance from and he tells me no need.
You guessed it-she goes back to uni and breaks down on the M4 in bad weather (it takes 5+ hours for them to send a recovery truck and she is traumatised!)
We get the car delivered back here and ask a local garage to come and look. The garage owner states the car had a severe water leak (the AA didn't pressure test the system) which has caused car to overheat and blown the head gasket-so dead. Bearing in mind DD worked and saved up all summer and only bought the car in August- from a reputable National chain and paid £4000 (it's a little mini) she is devastated.
Ok, so we send report to AA and ask for compensation/new (2nd hand) engine for car. They send an 'Independant Assessor' (paid for by AA and does most of his work for AA so not really independent!?) who literally spends 4 mins taking photos -opens the bonnet and says the head gasket has gone and leaves. His report states that it was our fault for driving it as the head gasket had gone (for clarity it was fine before-no smoke from exhaust and only had a full service and 120 point check in August etc)
The AA then state the patrolman informed us that the car was not roadworthy and should be taken to a garage so they don't hold liability!!!!!! WTF! A complete LIE and 360 on what he said to us. Sadly too late to download Ring doorbell footage to support us -as its gone and he never sent us an emailed report stating what he did or advised-normal protocol. Help! What can I do?

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PegasusReturns · 09/05/2023 15:50

OP I’m sorry you’re getting such shitty responses from people.

It sounds like the AA were useless, possibly to point of negligence, so first step ask for a copy of the paperwork re your case and a copy of the protocol for these situations.

re you’re DD I hope she’s ok. I have older teens one of whom would be be distressed in this scenario. Many people underestimate the continued impact of covid and lock down on young adults who transitioned to adulthood in that period - they lost crucial months/years and many are understandably less mature and experienced than they ought to be.

All you can do is reinforce that shit happens and help her be better prepared should a similar scenario arise in future

AlphabetSue · 09/05/2023 15:49

Blossomtoes · 09/05/2023 15:43

The AA who should never have been called in the first place. If your car overheats you take it to a garage when you get it home.

Then the AA should have said that. Is the rule that if you call them out incorrectly (and I don’t think she did) that they can they say any rubbish they like?

Also - see loads of posts saying the daughter should have immediately pulled over on motorway when overheating started again (if there was indeed any warning). What then?

Æthelred · 09/05/2023 15:47

Head gasket failure causes the engine to overheat, not the other way round.

As others have stated, these vehicles are prone to this kind of failure.

I run three cars which like me are in their early 50s- they are generally very reliable but I do need the most expensive cover from the AA and I've always been happy with the service.

neilyoungismyhero · 09/05/2023 15:43

I was given paperwork when I had a blow out a few months ago. It detailed what they did, recovered me to a garage. I gave them the marker post number and it took them over 2.5 hours to get to me. They'd got on the wrong junction...muppets.
They seem to have all this technology but fail to give the most basic information.

Desperatelyseekingcommonsense · 09/05/2023 15:43

RAC once failed to put a wheel on my friends car correctly and it came off after as short drive. She got nowhere so I wouldn’t hold your breath.

Blossomtoes · 09/05/2023 15:43

TheShellBeach · 09/05/2023 15:12

Are people actually reading the OP?
She's angry because the AA are lying about what was originally said to the DD.

The AA who should never have been called in the first place. If your car overheats you take it to a garage when you get it home.

SofiaSoFar · 09/05/2023 15:42

I agree @Honeyroar

I also feel for OP's DD and the expense, upset and inconvenience this has caused.

It's perfectly possible to feel compassion for the predicament but also to disagree with where the fault ultimately lies.

AlphabetSue · 09/05/2023 15:41

Honeyroar · 09/05/2023 15:37

But they’re both facts that would affect the situation/any legal case. Should people not say anything if they don’t agree with the OP?? I feel sorry for the OP. It’s a crap situation, but it’s not 100% the AA’s fault, and there’s no proof even to back up the bit that the OP says the AA man did wrong…. The reason it’s still worth reading the replies is because she might spend more good money after bad chasing this. It’s good to read varying opinions before deciding what to do.

You can disagree, that’s what we’re doing here.

But for me - if I pull over on the motorway due to my car being undriveable I call the AA / RAC. If I had a similar problem recently and they told me the car was now fine, then it’s reasonable I’d believe them. I’m not sure what people find so objectionable.

starfishmummy · 09/05/2023 15:40

GimmeSleep · 09/05/2023 14:10

😂

It's OK. I have my big girl pants on. And we are not the twats here!

I mean, the AA person may well have lied but he wasn't the one who continued to drive a malfunctioning car.

Honeyroar · 09/05/2023 15:37

AlphabetSue · 09/05/2023 15:23

OP is getting trashed here because simultaneously ‘why didn’t her daughter pull over immediately on the hard shoulder’ and ‘the AA are for non starts and emergencies’.

Sorry OP. It’s a waste of time coming here. Hope you get it sorted and your daughter is ok. Pulling over in the motorway can be scary apart from the damage.

But they’re both facts that would affect the situation/any legal case. Should people not say anything if they don’t agree with the OP?? I feel sorry for the OP. It’s a crap situation, but it’s not 100% the AA’s fault, and there’s no proof even to back up the bit that the OP says the AA man did wrong…. The reason it’s still worth reading the replies is because she might spend more good money after bad chasing this. It’s good to read varying opinions before deciding what to do.

Lonecatwithkitten · 09/05/2023 15:36

If all of this was the result of hitting debris have you approached her insurance to cover the repair.
My DD debris on the M4 shattered the floor tray and destroyed the sump the insurance covered all the costs including the hire car.

Male101 · 09/05/2023 15:34

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DrySherry · 09/05/2023 15:33

So I just asked my partner about this, he's very knowledgeable on cars. He pointed something important out. Does the car still have its protective engine bay under tray in place ? If that was missing, as is often the case when lazy garages do services and don't replace them ? If its missing - hitting a small piece of debris can result in damage to coolant pipes or other parts inside the engine bay - which should be protected from underneath by the tray. The 120 point check sheet you had done in August should have highlighted if this was missing. ..?

Jitterybugs · 09/05/2023 15:33

Bloody hell you’re a tough crowd on this thread. Most posters ignoring the fact that the AA patrol man advised the OP’s daughter that it was safe to drive the car on to university. She took that advice and it turned out to be the wrong advice. Now the AA have denied that conversation took place and have lied and said they advised don’t drive the car.
Some asking what harm could she come to while waiting on the hard shoulder for hours. It’s a well established fact that sitting on the hard shoulder carries the risk of being ploughed into by another car. It’s not a safe place to be.

Honeyroar · 09/05/2023 15:31

Unfortunately I’m sure the AA will have a get out clause somewhere in the contract. Plus they’re saying it was logged as a unroadworthy. You can’t prove he said otherwise if you haven’t any paperwork saying otherwise. I’m sorry for you, it’s a crap situation, but it sounds a bit like you and your husband were worried it wasn’t roadworthy, so perhaps you should have sought another opinion or done a test drive before sending her off. And yes your daughter probably should have stopped earlier, particularly if the car had broken down previously. But I’m not judging her for that as I blew my gasket on my first car going back to college too!

And those pecking at or laughing the guy’s advice are making themselves look rather silly. It was a perfectly sensible reply, even if it wasn’t siding with the OP.

OP I think you need to get a copy of the AA’s paperwork ASAP, speak to an independent garage (although it will be very hard to prove that there was damage that made the engine lose water/oil when your daughter hit the debris (that’s not a great thing to do either!). They could say it happened on the next journey (as it indeed could have). It’s crap but I think you’ll be hard pressed to win this the way things have gone.

Grapefruittea · 09/05/2023 15:30

@Male101 crazy assumption to make!

SpeckledlyHen · 09/05/2023 15:29

Rummikub · 09/05/2023 15:20

You can opt to have home start on your breakdown cover.

Yes, but the car was not broken down. It had previously overheated. The AA are not a maintenance service, they would not have all had all of the equipment or the skill to do a full health check/service to determine categorically whether the car was roadworthy or not. The OP should have got it checked over by a garage if at all concerned about the car. This does not fall on the responsibility of the AA.

Male101 · 09/05/2023 15:27

Grapefruittea · 09/05/2023 15:15

Haha @neverknowinglyunreasonable love a man coming on to Mumsnet just for comments like this! Why are there so many of them?

Who said I was male?

viques · 09/05/2023 15:26

Rummikub · 09/05/2023 15:20

You can opt to have home start on your breakdown cover.

Home start, not advice on basic car maintenance. Like check the water and oil if your car starts to overheat……..

whatdoidonowffs · 09/05/2023 15:25

Questionquestionqu · 09/05/2023 15:19

God this site is shite nowadays and such a lack of reading comprehension.

Also some cars don't have a temp gauge.

Minis do though

AlphabetSue · 09/05/2023 15:23

OP is getting trashed here because simultaneously ‘why didn’t her daughter pull over immediately on the hard shoulder’ and ‘the AA are for non starts and emergencies’.

Sorry OP. It’s a waste of time coming here. Hope you get it sorted and your daughter is ok. Pulling over in the motorway can be scary apart from the damage.

Rummikub · 09/05/2023 15:20

You can opt to have home start on your breakdown cover.

SofiaSoFar · 09/05/2023 15:19

I'm confused by the first part of the OP, actually.

We you, DH and DD all in the car when it first overheated as you talk about all of you asking the AA man questions.

If not, I assume you called the AA to your home? But from what you've then described the car wasn't actually broken down - i.e. it still worked and drove - so why did you actually call them to it at home?

They're a breakdown service not a maintenance service so would only get your car going if it won't start at home, or tow it to a garage for repairing.

If it first overheated on another journey to the one you're fuming about, it should have gone to a garage to be looked at, not had the AA called to it.

Questionquestionqu · 09/05/2023 15:19

God this site is shite nowadays and such a lack of reading comprehension.

Also some cars don't have a temp gauge.

Sunsetandsmiles · 09/05/2023 15:18

AA comes out, checks car, highlights water and oil need topped up! Potential causes of overheating. Fair enough he shouldn’t have said it was perfectly fine without doing more extensive checks but, realistically, that’s your first line checks.

DD should absolutely have pulled over as soon as warning light came on.

Another one here backing pp’s and advise maybe DD shouldn’t be driving on the motorway if such an event leaves her so traumatised. It’s life experience and she needs to learn to deal with these things on her own without it all being so dramatic.