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Unprofessional?

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Greenpasture · 28/04/2023 19:31

I attended a job interview on Thursday morning, and as I left, the interviewer said she would: "definitely be deciding this afternoon, so I will be phoning you by the end of the day."

I didn't hear anything that day, or today.

I'm really put off this company now, AIBU to think it's quite unprofessional to not follow up on what you say you're going to do?

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Greenpasture · 29/04/2023 09:31

MsTekkie · 29/04/2023 08:25

Agreed, she is not to be trusted, I'd bin this one.

I had an internal interview last year (applying for a vacancy in my department but under different line management) and they didn't get back to me in over a week 😂. I didn't want to be pushy so waited for about a week and then asked my line manager if they knew what was happening. It turned out that one of the interview panel had gone off sick after the interviews were held but they failed to let any of the applicants know. I had to wait another couple of weeks at which point they graciously came back and said it was a draw between me and another applicant and I'd have to attend a second interview, which would have been no problem in general, but after no communication from them for ages and finding out some things about a few of the people in the team, I withdrew my application. I learned that one person on the interview panel had a disciplinary procedure against them as they had relentlessly bullied various junior staff. I know I dodged a bullet and the lack off communication was one of the indicators of all not being well, it was such a toxic work culture. I'm now working for another department for the same employer and my colleagues couldn't be nicer. Remember, at this stage you have the choice to walk away, not so easy once you work for someone unprofessional <shudders>.

That was a lucky escape!

It's always good to get that context, that the issue is very much themselves...

And you're so right, always better to see their standards now rather than after potentially taking the role!

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Greenpasture · 29/04/2023 09:28

PortiasBiscuit · 29/04/2023 09:20

She may have interviewed a better client after you.. who is now in negotiations, so they are holding you in reserve.
It happens, I’m afraid.

You misunderstood my point.

If that was the case, the professional action would have been to have phoned or emailed me to say they were going to take another few days/week/month to decide; completely understandable.

The unprofessionalism relates to the lack of communication when she said she would be in touch, not her hiring decision itself.

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Greenpasture · 29/04/2023 09:25

alongtimeagoandfaraway · 29/04/2023 09:18

This used to drive me mad. I managed a professional membership society which offered scholarships. The volunteer officers would tell candidates there would be a decision that night despite me pleading for them to say ‘in a few days’. Of course something cropped up and then we had to contact the candidates and apologise for delay. Eventually I did get the officers to say ‘within a week’ - under promise and over deliver is always my preference.

under promise and over deliver is always my preference

Completely agree; with clients I am very realistic with time frames but give myself extra time as sometimes it's needed, and surely it's common courtesy to acknowledge and communicate that it'll be a few more days.

It takes one minute to phone or email to update someone. I'd be mortified to say I was going to phone someone with a significant decision by X time/day and then not get in touch whatsoever.

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PortiasBiscuit · 29/04/2023 09:20

She may have interviewed a better client after you.. who is now in negotiations, so they are holding you in reserve.
It happens, I’m afraid.

Greenpasture · 29/04/2023 09:19

Rafting2022 · 29/04/2023 08:31

100% agree OP. All they needed to say was we expect to make a decision in the next few days so will be in touch by next week.

Exactly, it was unprofessional to say they'd be in touch that day and then not follow up on that.

As I said upthread, I know my value as an employee and I'd rather find an employer whose words meet their actions.

Luckily I have another offer and more interviews lined up so I'll be withdrawing myself from this one!

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alongtimeagoandfaraway · 29/04/2023 09:18

This used to drive me mad. I managed a professional membership society which offered scholarships. The volunteer officers would tell candidates there would be a decision that night despite me pleading for them to say ‘in a few days’. Of course something cropped up and then we had to contact the candidates and apologise for delay. Eventually I did get the officers to say ‘within a week’ - under promise and over deliver is always my preference.

Rafting2022 · 29/04/2023 08:31

100% agree OP. All they needed to say was we expect to make a decision in the next few days so will be in touch by next week.

Abacusporttaco · 29/04/2023 08:29

It sounds like a Mickey Mouse outfit anyway.

Snoopyandthemuppets · 29/04/2023 08:28

It would be a no from me unless it was a medical emergency and they were in hospital or had a valid serious reason.

MsTekkie · 29/04/2023 08:25

blueshoes · 28/04/2023 22:41

Yes, very small company, no HR, interviewed directly by the owner/manager.

Since you were interviewed by the sole decision maker, manager and person who promised to get back to you and did not, I understand how you might think she is flakey or not a good employer to work for.

Agreed, she is not to be trusted, I'd bin this one.

I had an internal interview last year (applying for a vacancy in my department but under different line management) and they didn't get back to me in over a week 😂. I didn't want to be pushy so waited for about a week and then asked my line manager if they knew what was happening. It turned out that one of the interview panel had gone off sick after the interviews were held but they failed to let any of the applicants know. I had to wait another couple of weeks at which point they graciously came back and said it was a draw between me and another applicant and I'd have to attend a second interview, which would have been no problem in general, but after no communication from them for ages and finding out some things about a few of the people in the team, I withdrew my application. I learned that one person on the interview panel had a disciplinary procedure against them as they had relentlessly bullied various junior staff. I know I dodged a bullet and the lack off communication was one of the indicators of all not being well, it was such a toxic work culture. I'm now working for another department for the same employer and my colleagues couldn't be nicer. Remember, at this stage you have the choice to walk away, not so easy once you work for someone unprofessional <shudders>.

Aprilx · 29/04/2023 07:27

I think it was a daft thing for the interviewer to commit to. But you do seem to be blowing it out of all proportion.

Greenpasture · 29/04/2023 06:57

blueshoes · 28/04/2023 22:41

Yes, very small company, no HR, interviewed directly by the owner/manager.

Since you were interviewed by the sole decision maker, manager and person who promised to get back to you and did not, I understand how you might think she is flakey or not a good employer to work for.

Thank you, I do think in this context it's a red flag.

Ironically as part of the interview we discussed how vital it is to communicate and get back to clients when you say you will - something I'm very organised with; we agreed this was very important (!).

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blueshoes · 28/04/2023 22:41

Yes, very small company, no HR, interviewed directly by the owner/manager.

Since you were interviewed by the sole decision maker, manager and person who promised to get back to you and did not, I understand how you might think she is flakey or not a good employer to work for.

Greenpasture · 28/04/2023 21:38

Camablanca · 28/04/2023 21:19

This.
I wouldn't be so beholden to their 'word', but IMO it's standard to give a longer waiting period than needed. Not the other way around.
Small company? No HR?

That's a much better approach! I actually avoid asking and have a "wait and see" approach, so I'm not expecting any news by a certain time.

Yes, very small company, no HR, interviewed directly by the owner/manager.

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CharlotteDoyle · 28/04/2023 21:30

By all means write off the opportunity if this crosses a line for you, but being a professional (which I'm sure you are) also means demonstrating patience and resilience when things don't go as planned.

blueshoes · 28/04/2023 21:28

If you applied through a recruitment agent, it is the agent's job to chase up the employer for you. Easier for a middle man to do this in a diplomatic manner. Don't feel you have to be guns blazing at this point.

blueshoes · 28/04/2023 21:26

I was the line manager interviewing and wanted to blow off a second best candidate in favour of the first. Recruitment in my office said no, keep the second candidate warm. Recruiment know more about recruiting than I do, having done this 100s of times more than me, so I listened. Would I call the candidate to say sorry, I cannot get back to you today? No, because if the candidate cannot wait, they'd go anyway. If they asked why, I did not want to lie and would lose them. So silence until we knew the position with the first and have a chance with the second.

I have been on the receiving end on this as a candidate many times. It sucks but it is life. The organisation you join is amorphous. You cannot realistically judge the culture from a few people you come in contact with during recruitment. I mostly never had any contact with them once I joined, other than the members of my team.

JudgeRudy · 28/04/2023 21:24

It's possible they've offered the job to the preferred candidate but that person hasn't confirmed or officially accepted yet so they're keeping their options open.
Or maybe either Sarah or John are off sick.
I'd leave things till late Tuesday afternoon and ask if they've appointed yet.

blueshoes · 28/04/2023 21:21

Greenpasture · 28/04/2023 20:06

Exactly!

Things absolutely happen and get in the way - unexpected aspects I can completely understand. But good communication is so important and it would take no time to phone or email and say 'we're still deciding'.

I would have no issue if they said they needed X amount of time - but saying "I'll be phoning you by the end of the day" and then not following up at all is unprofessional.

If I did that to a client as part of my job, I'd be rightly pulled up on it!

I see your point but that is not what happens in practice. Decision making within an organisation rarely vests with one person. If you worked in a organisation long enough, you will realise that things often take longer for completely mundane reasons like people being away and not having time to confer or not getting back in time. The need to being others along with the decision if this is a big hire.

Sure, have your standards. I'd say you are needlessly cutting off your nose to spite your face. Just chill and you might get there in the end.

historygeek · 28/04/2023 21:20

I withdrew from a teaching job for this reason- I was told I'd be contacted that day, by 10pm I'd been sat by my phone for 11 hours scared to go to the loo in case I missed a call. Really unprofessional and a shitty way to treat people.

Camablanca · 28/04/2023 21:19

parietal · 28/04/2023 21:16

As an interviewer, I've learnt to lie to candidates and always say it will take a week to get a decision (even if I'm aiming for 1 day) to avoid this situation.

This.
I wouldn't be so beholden to their 'word', but IMO it's standard to give a longer waiting period than needed. Not the other way around.
Small company? No HR?

WuTangGran · 28/04/2023 21:19

I agree with you. If you say you’re going to do something, then do it.

TheHateIsNotGood · 28/04/2023 21:17

Did they even offer you the job OP? You might be wasting your time thinking of reasons to not work for them when they might not want you anyway.

parietal · 28/04/2023 21:16

As an interviewer, I've learnt to lie to candidates and always say it will take a week to get a decision (even if I'm aiming for 1 day) to avoid this situation.

Greenfairydust · 28/04/2023 21:13

I would assume you are their second choice!

They likely offered it to someone else and are negotiating things like salary/starting date and don't want to get back to you, as you are their back up plan, until everything has been agreed and the person has confirmed they are taking the role.

I would agree that it is annoying. I would just carry on with your job search.