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neighbour from hell

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MissJD · 26/04/2023 11:51

i moved in October to maisonette with my 6yo .

below us lives woman with 10 dogs . these dogs are never walked and always inside her 2 bedroom house .

obviously barking is constant. day and night . our life is hell . sleep deprivation is form of torture and it's not fair on dogs to always sit indoors too.

i reported this to RSPCA , council , landlords however nothing is done .

is my only option to move now ? is it animal cruelty to keep 10 dogs inside and never walk them ?

can anyone give me advice i'm desperate now , my child is disabled and she can't sleep at night begging me to stop barking .

smell is unbearable too , it comes up to our house from downstairs

any advice would be greatly appreciated

thank you

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MissJD · 27/04/2023 15:44

StrongTea · 27/04/2023 15:43

She needs a licence if breeding more than 3 litters a year. If she is breeding dogs and selling them on the tax folk might be interested

going to report her then for that too !
thanks

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StrongTea · 27/04/2023 15:43

She needs a licence if breeding more than 3 litters a year. If she is breeding dogs and selling them on the tax folk might be interested

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MissJD · 27/04/2023 15:41

StrongTea · 27/04/2023 15:38

Is she a dog breeder?

i actually don't know as some of dogs are puppies so might be !

she told me that dogs are all she has left as she had a very sad life, that's why she has so many

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StrongTea · 27/04/2023 15:38

Is she a dog breeder?

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MissJD · 27/04/2023 15:25

FubbyChucker · 27/04/2023 15:19

Hi OP, if you've already made a complaint to Clarion, you can now contact the Housing Ombudsman
https://www.housing-ombudsman.org.uk/residents/

They do deal with complaints about tenant and
Anti-social behaviour, Noise nuisance etc so might be worth checking out
Clarion are also a member of this scheme so might get things moving for you
Good luck

thank you ! really appreciate will check out the link x

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MissJD · 27/04/2023 15:22

marrymeadam · 27/04/2023 15:14

Call the police for a welfare check...you heard a funny noised and the dogs are acting strangely, the police should maybe force entry and check on your neighbour...

no , police doesn't force entry and tries to say anything animal related is RSPCA

when i called police to do welfare check they came after 2 days and woman was already home ...

it blows my mind that no one cares but at least i tried everything

( except for contacting local MP and dog warden and to forget to close bath taps lmao Grin)
i tried all advice given and still nothing is done

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FubbyChucker · 27/04/2023 15:21

I've rtft & see it's already been suggested, apologies

FubbyChucker · 27/04/2023 15:19

Hi OP, if you've already made a complaint to Clarion, you can now contact the Housing Ombudsman
https://www.housing-ombudsman.org.uk/residents/

They do deal with complaints about tenant and
Anti-social behaviour, Noise nuisance etc so might be worth checking out
Clarion are also a member of this scheme so might get things moving for you
Good luck

Residents - Housing Ombudsman

This is the information hub for residents of social housing landlords. Here you can learn about the complaints process, how to make a complaint, as well as read other residents’ experiences which may be similar to what you’re experiencing.

https://www.housing-ombudsman.org.uk/residents

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MissJD · 27/04/2023 15:18

Covidisdrivingmecrazy · 27/04/2023 15:13

What strikes me here odd that the housing association knew about the problem but still houses you above it. They need to evict her. Be very careful that they don't treat you as "intentionally homeless" if you leave. Any idea when her trial is?? Do everything environmental health say. If they say do a diary do it in detail they need it to go to court. You can record things on your phone. Push push push they will get there in the end (I used to with in EH)

housing association claimed they were unaware about the dogs

but they definitely did as aware what happened to elderly lady

i was thinking to do mutual exchange, not to make
myself homeless.

as this place is quite large and my garden is massive , so i'm sure someone will be willing to swap with me and i can just downgrade to a smaller place without garden but at least peace and quiet

that's my last hope fingers crossed i can do this sooner rather the later ! Smile

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MissJD · 27/04/2023 15:15

MooseAndSquirrelLoveFlannel · 27/04/2023 14:02

If there has been a community protection order issued that's good, but usually the HA/Council then has to wait for a court date if there is a breach.

Unfortunately as the complainant the onus is on you to prove the noise complaint, not the HA/Council. They're job is to act on your behalf once you provide that evidence. It's not about doing their job for them, as a PP said up thread, but about the witness who is experiencing the issue demonstrating what that is.

I work for the ASB team for a large HA (not clarion) and its always a long process. If you serve notice of seeking possession you have to wait for a month before you can apply to court. You then wait months for the court to give you a date, which is then even more months ahead. We are getting dates requested now, that are being listed for July.

HA cannot evict their residents. Only a court van give an order of possession, the HA role is to support the complainant to gather the evidence.

I get really frustrated with the RSPCA, they're useless!! But no one can force entry without a warrant and perpetrators know how to play the system.

Speak to your MP, whilst the ASB process is slow, Clarion should be keeping in contact with you. We call complainants every 2 weeks.

i did send endless recording of all the barking , and Clarion doesn't really care

all they said to me is to keep it between us but they are trying to evict her however they have backlog and also judge doesn't like to evict anyone .

and instead likes to give people chances

most of the times their customer service team tells me that tenancy breach specialist will be i. touch with me however no one calls back

and council tries to tell me how they saw much worse cases , and basically hinting could be much worse and could be 20 dogs lol

feeling a bit of a nuisance to all of them ..

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marrymeadam · 27/04/2023 15:14

Call the police for a welfare check...you heard a funny noised and the dogs are acting strangely, the police should maybe force entry and check on your neighbour...

Covidisdrivingmecrazy · 27/04/2023 15:13

What strikes me here odd that the housing association knew about the problem but still houses you above it. They need to evict her. Be very careful that they don't treat you as "intentionally homeless" if you leave. Any idea when her trial is?? Do everything environmental health say. If they say do a diary do it in detail they need it to go to court. You can record things on your phone. Push push push they will get there in the end (I used to with in EH)

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MissJD · 27/04/2023 15:10

Mammajay · 27/04/2023 15:06

Not advice but my temperament would mean I accidentally left the tap on till my bath overflows and floods downstairs!

GrinGrinGrinGrin yeah good advice thank you !

i think the best is to move out of here and just concentrate on doing that , instead of wasting my energy on constant complaints to RSPCA , housing , council

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MissJD · 27/04/2023 15:07

Mammajay · 27/04/2023 15:03

Also I think you said she abused an older person. Was the older person the original tenant? If so, I would ask the ha if she has any right to the tenancy. Is she squatting?

HA said they are no allowed to discuss that with me

and council said it's completely different case and they look at each case separately ..

it's a nightmare really , i just hope that HA is waiting to their backlog to clear and to try and take that woman to court and evict her .

or at least for her to be banned from having animals ...

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Mammajay · 27/04/2023 15:06

Not advice but my temperament would mean I accidentally left the tap on till my bath overflows and floods downstairs!

Mammajay · 27/04/2023 15:03

Also I think you said she abused an older person. Was the older person the original tenant? If so, I would ask the ha if she has any right to the tenancy. Is she squatting?

Mammajay · 27/04/2023 14:58

Might have already been mentioned but try your local newspaper and environmental health.

Mumto1boyo · 27/04/2023 14:56

From my experience with HA they couldn't give a stuff. I complained about the weed smoking from the flats above us. A letter was sent around telling them not to smoke on the balconies but inside. I mean ffs!!!

SeventyNineBottlesOfWine · 27/04/2023 14:26

I agree with what others have said regarding contacting your MP and child’s social worker.

Also, as you’re with a housing association, have you tried submitting an official complaint?

If you submit a complaint it will begin the stage 1 complaints process. If you’re not satisfied with the outcome you can then escalate to stage 2, if still not happy, then you contact the housing ombudsman.

Most housing associations will try to rectify the situation before it’s escalated.

MooseAndSquirrelLoveFlannel · 27/04/2023 14:17

Greydogs123 · 27/04/2023 14:07

Phone the council and the landlord every day. Keep phoning and tell them you won’t stop phoning until they do something about the situation. Threaten to go to the local news or the papers, whatever will annoy them enough to actually do something. It sounds horrendous, both for you and the poor dogs.

The OP said she thinks the landlord is trying to evict the neighbour

actually i believe landlords are trying to evict that woman but they said there is backlog after Coronavirus or smth like that

So you can call every day, you can go to every newspaper on earth, believe me it won't speed up a backlogged court!! It MAY prompt the RSPCA to do more, but even they will have to go to court.

Greydogs123 · 27/04/2023 14:07

Phone the council and the landlord every day. Keep phoning and tell them you won’t stop phoning until they do something about the situation. Threaten to go to the local news or the papers, whatever will annoy them enough to actually do something. It sounds horrendous, both for you and the poor dogs.

MooseAndSquirrelLoveFlannel · 27/04/2023 14:02

If there has been a community protection order issued that's good, but usually the HA/Council then has to wait for a court date if there is a breach.

Unfortunately as the complainant the onus is on you to prove the noise complaint, not the HA/Council. They're job is to act on your behalf once you provide that evidence. It's not about doing their job for them, as a PP said up thread, but about the witness who is experiencing the issue demonstrating what that is.

I work for the ASB team for a large HA (not clarion) and its always a long process. If you serve notice of seeking possession you have to wait for a month before you can apply to court. You then wait months for the court to give you a date, which is then even more months ahead. We are getting dates requested now, that are being listed for July.

HA cannot evict their residents. Only a court van give an order of possession, the HA role is to support the complainant to gather the evidence.

I get really frustrated with the RSPCA, they're useless!! But no one can force entry without a warrant and perpetrators know how to play the system.

Speak to your MP, whilst the ASB process is slow, Clarion should be keeping in contact with you. We call complainants every 2 weeks.

Thesharkradar · 27/04/2023 13:44

I met one of RSPCA's board directors at their Horsham HQ a while back.
Horsham? That's quite near to crowborough where this poor lady lives,
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woman-mauled-rescue-dog-loses-29760364
She is currently suing the RSPCA having lost her arm after an attack by a dog that they told her was safe, I wonder how he feels about all that.

Woman loses arm as she's mauled by rescue dog to sue RSPCA 'who didn't warn her'

Joanna Harris, 49, has told how a one-year-old American bulldog she was fostering from the RSPCA attacked her leading to such severe injuries that she needed to have her arm amputated

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woman-mauled-rescue-dog-loses-29760364

Thesharkradar · 27/04/2023 13:34

"But we're a CHARITY!" he blustered.
He didn't seem to get that it was a charity for animals, not well-paid humans
Unfortunately the wealthy people who control the charity are in a position to make sure that they are the main beneficiary of said charity 🤬
He no doubt feels himself to be much too important to sully himself, to soil his hands by dealing with the the types of people who hoarde animals and cause a nuisance🤬

SmallFerret · 27/04/2023 13:12

ReadersD1gest · 26/04/2023 14:09

What's the bloody point of them, in that case??

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To maximise the value of their property holdings, & provide lucrative, safe employment for middle & senior management.

I met one of RSPCA's board directors at their Horsham HQ a while back.
The atrium of their classy building would have housed my entire company (200 people).
We agreed that I would put in a proposal for XYZ back office services. The proposal cut RSPCA costs by approx £160k a year. The director would not go ahead, as it would mean cutting out the roles of 4 HQ staff, despite increasing efficiency & financial reporting.

"But we're a CHARITY!" he blustered.
He didn't seem to get that it was a charity for animals, not well-paid humans.