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Believing in ghosts

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StupidFaces · 24/04/2023 08:34

I used to, now I think it’s ridiculous. People have been trying to prove the existence of ghosts for over 150 years and yet not one scrap of credible evidence to suggest they exist. I wish they did, I’d love it to be real but it just doesn’t make sense for them to exist does it?

Surely if ghosts were real, abattoirs would be haunted to fuck by the ghosts of dead cows? How come nobody ever sees a ghost dressed in trackies and Nike trainers? Why are they only ever dressed in Victorian/medieval clothes etc?

Do people think ghosts of fish haunt the ocean?

For those that do believe … what do you think about the above scenarios?

For those that done believe … would you be happy to spend a night alone in a supposedly haunted castle?

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BungalowLil · 27/04/2023 14:38

Moonmelodies · 27/04/2023 12:50

Sounds like they have seen something they cannot explain.
Nothing to suggest they have somehow seen a dead person, nor this mysterious 'spirit' we are told continues to exist somehow.

I quite agree. But what could it be? I'd love to know and am going to look into the camera idea.

Whylurkwhenicanjoinin · 27/04/2023 13:08

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 27/04/2023 10:17

I think there's a line to tread between 'nope, don't exist and everyone who thinks they do is deluded' and 'I've always been a bit psychic and I've seen....'

Dismissing everyone who's ever seen anything anomalous as deluded or hallucinatory or mistaken is to make assumptions. Dismissing everyone who doesn't believe in such things as close-minded and stupid, is also wrong.

I think adopting an open minded position, which acknowledges that some sightings will be misperceptions, misunderstandings and the human brain just being a bit weird, and that things sometimes happen which have no (current) scientific explanation is best.

It's just a bit narrow minded to think that we know everything there is to know about the natural world, the brain and its functions and physics. So surely a watching brief is most sensible?

Perfectly put, thank you.

Tourmalines · 27/04/2023 13:07

usernother · 26/04/2023 20:21

I never have believed and never will. Absolute nonsense.

Hear hear .

Tourmalines · 27/04/2023 13:01

BungalowLil · 27/04/2023 10:07

Ok, so in the house I live in now people see something. They all describe exactly the same thing happening repeatedly. A dark spot about the size of a tennis ball. They always describe this...
It only happens in the sitting room.
It is always below waist level.
It travels at speed and covers about two feet.
It always travels right to left.
It happens at all times of the day, night, year and in all light levels.
I have seen it myself many times. It's not frightening.
It's not a rodent as occasionally it travels above ground level and also we have a jack russell terrier in the house!

I'm not unintelligent, nor delusional. I'm a very down to earth, practical, ordinary person. I'm also not lying. The people who have reported this include an optician, an HGV driver, an electrician - all different people, none of whom knew other people had said anything.

Perhaps I should try the camera idea.

Not just a photo, why not a video ?

Moonmelodies · 27/04/2023 12:50

BungalowLil · 27/04/2023 10:07

Ok, so in the house I live in now people see something. They all describe exactly the same thing happening repeatedly. A dark spot about the size of a tennis ball. They always describe this...
It only happens in the sitting room.
It is always below waist level.
It travels at speed and covers about two feet.
It always travels right to left.
It happens at all times of the day, night, year and in all light levels.
I have seen it myself many times. It's not frightening.
It's not a rodent as occasionally it travels above ground level and also we have a jack russell terrier in the house!

I'm not unintelligent, nor delusional. I'm a very down to earth, practical, ordinary person. I'm also not lying. The people who have reported this include an optician, an HGV driver, an electrician - all different people, none of whom knew other people had said anything.

Perhaps I should try the camera idea.

Sounds like they have seen something they cannot explain.
Nothing to suggest they have somehow seen a dead person, nor this mysterious 'spirit' we are told continues to exist somehow.

ColonelDax · 27/04/2023 12:42

mamabear715 · 27/04/2023 11:21

Some extremely rude comments on here.
If you don't believe, fine, but please refrain from calling the rest of us idiots.
I personally feel sorry for anyone with a totally closed mind.

My mind isn't closed at all, far from it, it just requires evidence to open it.

There is no evidence for ghosts of any kind that cannot be better explained in other far better and much more likely ways.

Delete - 'your closed minded',

insert - 'I'm credulous and gullible'.

blahblahblah1654 · 27/04/2023 12:09

I've never seen a ghost and I don't think I believe. I do keep an open mind, but I think it's mostly people hoping there is more to existence than just dying and that's it and linking to happenings to that. I really enjoy paranormal horror though, but don't believe in it.

mamabear715 · 27/04/2023 11:21

Some extremely rude comments on here.
If you don't believe, fine, but please refrain from calling the rest of us idiots.
I personally feel sorry for anyone with a totally closed mind.

KimberleyClark · 27/04/2023 10:54

I’m a sceptic. There is still so much we don’t know about the human brain and how environmental conditions affect it.

That said I love ghost stories and listen to loads of paranormal podcasts. Also have recently discovered Beyond Belief - an old TV show on Amazon Prime featuring dramatisations of alleged supernatural events and really weird coincidences. They tell you at the end which were real and which fictitious.

fdgdfgdfgdfg · 27/04/2023 10:42

My DP believes in ghosts but has never seen one. I on the other hand have seen a ghost repeatedly and yet don't believe in them.

I had a period of about a year and a half where I kept spotting a figure in my house out of the corner of my eye that would then disappear before I could get a good look at it. Only happened at home, never anywhere else. Sometimes it would show in the window as I was walking to the front door, or it quite liked to stand in the hallway so I'd jump out of my skin as I came out of a room. I also had one evening home alone where a spoon kept jumping off the kitchen counter onto the floor. I'd been living in the house for about 10 years when it started, and after about a year and a half it just... stopped.

Coincidentally enough, I was going through a period of huge stress. My Mum was dying, it was looking like I was going to be made redundant at work, along with a couple of other issues.

DP thinks that the stress caused the ghost to act up, whereas I'm firmly in the camp that he only thing acting up was my own mind.

Drives DP nuts that a.) she never saw it, and b.) I did but am still decidedly sceptical about anything woo. Leads to many an entertaining argument.

stbrandonsboat · 27/04/2023 10:40

I've seen the ghost of a dog that had been pts the week before. I don't know what ghosts are, but I definitely saw it and many people report they've seen one.

StupidFaces · 27/04/2023 10:30

BungalowLil · 27/04/2023 10:07

Ok, so in the house I live in now people see something. They all describe exactly the same thing happening repeatedly. A dark spot about the size of a tennis ball. They always describe this...
It only happens in the sitting room.
It is always below waist level.
It travels at speed and covers about two feet.
It always travels right to left.
It happens at all times of the day, night, year and in all light levels.
I have seen it myself many times. It's not frightening.
It's not a rodent as occasionally it travels above ground level and also we have a jack russell terrier in the house!

I'm not unintelligent, nor delusional. I'm a very down to earth, practical, ordinary person. I'm also not lying. The people who have reported this include an optician, an HGV driver, an electrician - all different people, none of whom knew other people had said anything.

Perhaps I should try the camera idea.

Yes please set up a camera, if it happens that often then sooner or later you should catch it on camera

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Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 27/04/2023 10:17

I think there's a line to tread between 'nope, don't exist and everyone who thinks they do is deluded' and 'I've always been a bit psychic and I've seen....'

Dismissing everyone who's ever seen anything anomalous as deluded or hallucinatory or mistaken is to make assumptions. Dismissing everyone who doesn't believe in such things as close-minded and stupid, is also wrong.

I think adopting an open minded position, which acknowledges that some sightings will be misperceptions, misunderstandings and the human brain just being a bit weird, and that things sometimes happen which have no (current) scientific explanation is best.

It's just a bit narrow minded to think that we know everything there is to know about the natural world, the brain and its functions and physics. So surely a watching brief is most sensible?

BungalowLil · 27/04/2023 10:07

Ok, so in the house I live in now people see something. They all describe exactly the same thing happening repeatedly. A dark spot about the size of a tennis ball. They always describe this...
It only happens in the sitting room.
It is always below waist level.
It travels at speed and covers about two feet.
It always travels right to left.
It happens at all times of the day, night, year and in all light levels.
I have seen it myself many times. It's not frightening.
It's not a rodent as occasionally it travels above ground level and also we have a jack russell terrier in the house!

I'm not unintelligent, nor delusional. I'm a very down to earth, practical, ordinary person. I'm also not lying. The people who have reported this include an optician, an HGV driver, an electrician - all different people, none of whom knew other people had said anything.

Perhaps I should try the camera idea.

BungalowLil · 27/04/2023 09:59

Of course ghosts don't exist. Its ridiculous that people still think this and call themselves intelligent.

That's just rude isn't it?

ColonelDax · 27/04/2023 09:52

Of course ghosts don't exist. Its ridiculous that people still think this and call themselves intelligent.

Anyone honestly claiming to see a ghost is either deliberately lying or under a very grave misconception.

Its actually pretty common to see things that you cant immediately explain, and the human brain is evolutionarily programmed to attribute experiences to a 'thing' rather than just natural noises/light patterns etc.

The fact that photography has existed for over 120 years and yet not a single photograph or video of a ghost has ever been produced that can stand up to scrutiny tells you all you need to know.

For everyone who thinks they live in a haunted house or have a 'ghost', there is a simple solution, just get some cheap 4k video cameras spread around your house and start filming. One of two things will happen, either you will capture video footage of your 'ghost' and then become world famous as the first person to prove that ghosts are real, or the ghost will never put in an appearance ever again and you are free of it. Win-win surely?

Whylurkwhenicanjoinin · 27/04/2023 09:11

I was reminded of something an ex told me last night which suits this thread. In the suburb where we both live, and grew up, is a small wood with an adjacent playing field and my ex told me that when he was about 18 he was walking through these woods on his way to the pub (not from the pub!) one evening and his path was crossed about 20 feet ahead by an Irish Wolfhound, but he said it was as if it were transparent. Closely followed by what looked like a roman soldier, again he could see through it. He stopped dead and watched both disappear into the trees ahead of him and then ran to see where they'd gone and there was no sign of them, nowhere they could've gone. He is an ex Royal Engineer sergeant, slight head case (hence him being an ex) and not at all given to fairy stories but he said this 100% happened. If it did happen, then its slightly believable as we are surrounded by roman roads where we live.

WinterofOurDiscountTentz · 27/04/2023 08:49

Believing in Reiki is as ridiculous as believing in ghosts.

StupidFaces · 27/04/2023 07:33

Luredbyapomegranate · 27/04/2023 00:38

But none of these are at all remarkable

The elderly patient could have his arm stretched out for any reason, perhaps he was imagining his wife there, or dreaming, or it was just a sensory thing.

Either you saw a nurse and she moved or it was just a trick of the light.

The elderly lady that heard kids was dreaming.

Yeah as I said I’m still a skeptic, a more logical explanation is always more likely

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LizzyELane · 27/04/2023 06:59

15 years ago I did a course in Reiki at my local adult education college. To pass and get the certificate at the end we had to do a practical exam which involved giving a reiki treatment to a volunteer whilst the teacher walked around observing. I'd roped in my 14 year old son as my volunteer, but during the treatment, although lying there very relaxed with eyes closed, he repeatedly lifted his arm outstretched upwards moving his hand up and down slightly. After I gently replaced his arm several times he kept doing this and I started to feel very uneasy. I stopped the treatment and went to explain to the teacher that I couldn't complete the exam. She told me the college building we were in used to be a school and was rumoured to be haunted by the old caretaker who used to love interacting with the schoolchildren and shaking their hands. The college was in a different town to where we lived and there was no way my son would've known about the rumour and be pulling my leg, he was quite sleepy and bemused with no recollection of moving his arm repeatedly but described dreaming about a smiley man in a black victorian style suit!!

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 27/04/2023 05:29

WinterofOurDiscountTentz · 26/04/2023 15:20

It's not the fact that I personally think they are delusional that makes it so, its that they simply are.

Please don't tell me where I can read or comment , or how to behave. You're not the thread police.

That's rude. Also no one, even you, can say for sure that ghosts don't exist.

Tourmalines · 27/04/2023 04:57

JudgeRinderonTinder · 24/04/2023 21:55

When you think about it properly, it is ridiculous. I used to believe as well, or not so much believe, but be a bit more open minded to it. Not so much now. I always think it’s curious how it’s always old buildings and Victorian clothes, untimely tragic deaths, and never just Peter from down the road who died last year of natural causes.

We all have decent phones now that take photos and videos very readily, yet not once has a ghost ever been convincingly captured. I guess I just learned the art of critical thought more as I got older 🤣

Smart logical post .

GarlicGrace · 27/04/2023 02:08

Just seems crazy to me that I lived in Germany and Austria for 25 years before that and NVER had any kind of paranormal experience.

I bet they have better-enforced gas safety regulations. If you're still renting, invest in a carbon monoxide alarm.

UnctuousUnicorns · 27/04/2023 01:32

I was 36 before I had any experiences.

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