Diane Abbott

They do in my area. If you are believed to be Irish or a traveller then you can forget getting a job, you'll be watched in shops, can't comment on the police but they treat everyone badly. Only reason I've not included Jewish is that we don't have any known Jewish in the area.

Part of the island of Ireland is under Brtish rule.

No, Ireland is a sovereign country. You're getting confused because 'Ireland' is also the name of the island on which most of the country of Ireland sits. Part of that island is part of the UK. But let's not derail the thread!

@Whataretheodds

Of course, but there were also some Jews who were able to hide in plain sight - adopting new names, histories. Sometimes dying their hair blonde etc. I think Abbots clumsily made point was simply that some ethnic minorities physically “stand out” more than others and thus literally always need to be on guard, whereas other groups will face racism/prejudice but it’s not a “constant” threat. You will often here Jewish people in public life in modern Britain say “actually, I’m Jewish/I have Jewish ancestry”. You never hear black or Asian people say that. Because it’s virtually never necessary.

Did she not understand how Whoopi Goldberg got her arse handed to her for saying the same? It really didn't go well down in the US so why Abbott thought she could say it in the UK AFTER the Goldberg drama is doubly unfathomable.

Unless it was her hill to die on and she was prepared to lose the whip for it.

Or shes got some kind of dementia (which has been suggested for a couple of years by some quarters).

Its staggering she done it for whatever reason tbh.

I agree 100% and it annoys me how dismissive people are of deliberate racism towards black and Asian people. It smacks hugely of white privilege.

@Bergmum - if I could love your post, I would.

Much of Mumsnet seems to be woefully ignorant to the fact that many many Jews experience daily abuse just for being Jewish. It's a common recurring theme and often dismissed every time Jewish mumsnetters mention the rise of antisemitism (and racism toward Jews) in the UK.

Personally I think that it's extra offensive coming from her since she's MP for Hackney which houses the biggest hasidic community in The UK. The biggest community of people who are obviously Jewish. The biggest community that need security outside every school and synagogue. The biggest Jewish Community who by dint of looking obviously Jewish experience casual racism all the time.
And actually from very personal experience living in Hackney I've experienced casual racism most often from black people.

What’s amazing is that she wasn’t caught out in an interview giving a clumsy answer- she literally wrote this stuff down and sent it to the paper of her own volition, and then made a statement saying her letter was racist because she’d sent the wrong draft 😭

I think Starmer will regret his efforts to keep Corbyn’s wing of the party inside the fold. I think they are set on snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, intentionally, in the hope of regaining control of the party.

Regardless of the survey are any of those groups experiencing the list I’ve provided?

Some have been desperate to get rid of Dianne Abbot for years.
This has given them an excuse to do so

What she said was clearly unacceptable but she has had the whip withdrawn.

She is the biggest racist.

I'm not a fan of Abbot, but I'm Jewish and don't find that letter to be 'hideous antisemitism', it's poorly expressed and rather ignorant and I don't know what she was thinking sending it (early draft my arse!) though.

Tell me you know nothing about anti-romani racism without telling me you know nothing about anti-romani racism.

Yes it was communists, disabled and Polish amongst many others. I actually think ignoring the Akton T4 part of the holocaust is dangerous, considering the push to sterilise autistic children via Queer theory.

She said Jews don't experience racism which is incorrect.

Some consider Jews as white but for many, we're not white and treated differently, still.

There is plenty of outrage about the racism that the black community in this country including Diane Abbott face on a daily basis.

Would the lack of outrage make Diane's comments more acceptable?

Are you a member of these ethnicities? Have you ever sat in a room and been not obvious while people engage in "banter" about your ethnic group? People are at their worst when they think they're not being heard.

If someone is having to hide who they are by for example not wearing a skullcap then it follows that the reason is because they would suffer racism for being identified as belonging to that group. Even having to disguise what you are is suffering from a form of racism.

But people from these group move through the world as white people. Yes people have extremely prejudice views of them, but to say they experience racism the same as a black person isn’t right in my view.

@ReformedWaywardTeen

*I don't think she was wrong at all.

I'm Irish. We don't face anywhere near the type of racism experienced by black people or Asian people. No where near. We don't get overlooked for jobs, housing, or given grief by police. Not now.

Sorry but as a black woman she knows what she is talking about. There is far worse racism experienced by those people - look at the recent investigation into the MET.

Keir has looked for any excuse to sack her. If anything stops Labour winning it's his behaviour of forgetting what Labour stands for.*

Unfortunately Labour ( and the Tories of course ) don’t really care about an end to racism. They just care about not getting told off by the Mail and the Sun and keeping Murdoch and co. happy.

The Brighton Finger jabber has red hair so...