Diane Abbott

No. It is incorrect are the antisemitic tropes Hitler and his cohorts introduced, many of which are still believed today.

This thread is a shit show of ignorance.

Agreed and let's remember before anti-Semitism is smeared against the current Labour Party his wife and children are Jewish and proud of it.

So we can disregard any racism suffered by people as long as they look white? What about people who have dual heritage?

It makes it look even worse in my opinion. ‘This is what I wrote initially because it’s my true opinion but you weren’t meant to SEE it’.

She should just stand by what she wrote it’s clear that’s what she really thinks.

Wow, 2 spectacularly ignorant posts for the price of 1.

I've experienced first hand antisemitic attacks many times, including physical attacks on several occasions. As has almost anyone I know (albeit not always physical).

It's par for the course in Stamford Hill. Ironically it's usually by non-whites.

That said, I really don't see the terrible hatred and antisemitism in Abbot's words. What I can see is a letter indicative of her general incompetence and intelligence.

I went to the Jewish Museum in Vienna in 2020... I was shocked and saddened that they needed a security guard on the door..😔 😔 😔 😔

But it was hitler that tried to push the incorrect theory of a ‘Jewish race’. I thought we had moved away and rejected that

Jewish people do belong to specific ethnic groups (Sephardic, Ashkenazic and Mizrahi).

You’re all confusing what a race is. It isn’t ‘anyone persecuted by Hitler’. Hitler also persecuted homosexuals and the disabled. Doesn’t mean they’re races.

I find it strange that it's been blamed on 'a draft' being sent by accident.

If you didn't really believe these things, you'd never even write them as a draft, surely?

OMG. You should be ashamed of your ignorance.

Judaism is a religion and being Jewish is an ethnicity/a race.

Irish people, that is those native to Ireland are also an ethnic group.

Gypsies, or rather Roma is also an ethic group.

Oh and the Roma are a race - they're pretty obviously darker skinned in Eastern Europe. And yes they experience a hell of a lot of systemic racism and have generally far poorer standards of living.

As I said up thread, Gypsies were murdered by the Nazis on the grounds of their race. So tell me why you don't feel that is racist?

@Summerhillsquare

Exactly, what she said is accurate.

No it isn’t. Crack the spine of a history book for once in your life, you might actually learn something.

Turning to today though, many people are unaware of the Home Office’s official hate crime statistics (published last year) which show that despite making up a tiny fraction of the UK population, Jews were the victims of nearly a quarter of all hate crimes.

In the US, antisemitic incidents hit record levels in 2022, continuing a five-year upswing in antisemitism amid mounting fears the behavior of influential public figures like Donald Trump and Kanye West are normalizing hate. There are a lot of shocking statistics from the FBI on this.

I’m sorry I don’t know the equivalent figures for the traveller / Romani community, if anyone does have these I’d be interested to see them.

Diane Abbott's claim that Jewish people cannot suffer 'racism' is outrageous in itself, but made all the more extraordinary given all that has unfolded in the Labour Party over the past few years. She and her allies on the far-left of the Party could never accept how bad antisemitism had become because they do not even acknowledge that it is a form of racism. She was an uncompromising supporter of Corbyn, a man who as leader of a social Democratic Party party couldn’t accept the world definition of antisemitism because he breaches it. I’m delighted he’s been thrown out of the party.

And as for her, kick her out and keep her out. Her views mean she’s not fit for office.

By the by, this is a fantastic website for those wanting to learn more about historic and modern day antisemitism, and Jewish history in general - https://www.rootsmetals.com/ Well researched, balanced and fair minded.

What Keir should concentrate on is releasing the full unedited Forde Report that said Corbyn and others were not guilty of antisemitism and most of it was concocted by the media.

It also is disrespectful to Palestinians who are facing persecution daily. Children taken from homes for throwing stones or wanting to cross an occupied area to go to school.

What about the racism they face, when they leave and come to the UK?

But it was hitler that tried to push the incorrect theory of a ‘Jewish race’. I thought we had moved away and rejected that.

Even a university education cannot guarantee against stupidity.

I don’t think she said anything wrong. Jewish people, Irish people and travellers aren’t races, so how can they experience racism?

Dunno, ask Hitler? The nazis could somehow tell, even with the secular ones.

It’s disappointing but no doubt Labour HQ are very pleased

I do think we need to have the discussion and to listen without it being derailed black peoples experiences of the everyday racism that they deal with. This unfortunately always leads to but x,y and z suffer racism too and that always happens or accusations of being over sensitive and so on. Iits the everyday racism that young black men having to deal with the police, the everyday racism that black women face being accused of being aggressive. It’s so integral in our society it’s just not seen as a issue by many

David Baddiel was absolutely correct in saying that the issue of Israel and problems there do not need to be raised constantly with discussing anti semitism

This.

jews are not persecuted today as they were 50 years ago, are not 5x more likely to be stopped and searched

You might want to look at recent events in France:
"Despite only representing 1% of the population in France, Jews are targeted by 40% of racially or religiously motivated violent acts."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_21st-century_France

I don’t think she said anything wrong. Jewish people, Irish people and travellers aren’t races, so how can they experience racism? I’m unsure of her ‘private’ views on Jewish people and antisemitism, but in my view the article isn’t incorrect.