Diane Abbott

Oh for goodness sake! You are denying that Jewish people experience racism?! This is an absolutely ridiculous and offensive position.

YABU. Here we go again with Keith and his decisions!🙄

Lots of people agree with what she said and she didn't say anything in a nasty or disrespectful way.

I am Irish and have experienced plenty of ignorance and stupidity living in the UK since 1996, but I completely take her point that I haven't experienced racism in the same way as a black or bi-racial person.

@Flowerly
'' I wonder at this point why ANYONE would vote for them.''

Really?

Nice try, but no one is going to forget Brexit, the economy/our standards of living/the NHS being destroyed and suddenly decide to vote Tory.

Abbott has always been a liability and should go.

The country in general needs to get rid of the current corrupt Tory administration and nothing will change that.

Op, don’t fall into the trap of thinking that the Tories are not racist. Labour has an honourable history of fighting racism, whereas the Tories’ history on this is appalling.

I've got a huge soft spot for Diane Abbott. I don't really know why, she is such a total plonker as this shows yet again.

I absolutely don't agree that anyone can experience racism. As a white person, I have undoubtedly experienced prejudice on the basis of my skin colour while living abroad, but I have not experienced systemic oppression on the basis of my race, and it is unlikely that I ever will.

That said, there is no question in my mind that antisemitism is a form of racism.

I'm not throwing any low blows. I know exactly what racism is and don't need you to tell me to google it.

But thank you anyway.

Are people claiming that racism is specifically prejudice against black people? Genuinely curious. I'd have assumed that if someone of Asian origin was called the P-word and beaten, that would be a racially motivated incident?
I'm trying to understand, by that definition, whose experience of prejudice and descrimination can be called racism, and whose can't. What is the yardstick here?

She said it was okay for her to send her children to private school and wrong for white people to do so. She has double standards. You can find the video on YouTube - "black mother's would do anything for their kids" implying other mothers wouldn't.

I am simply telling you that your statement that everyone can experience racism is incorrect.
Rather than throw low blows you should educate yourself on what racism entails.
Aunty Google is your friend

Having read a lot of history books and historical novels, it would appear that in common with the Roma, the Jewish people tried as much as possible to marry and procreate among their own. Which means that they are genetically a lot more similar than groups that have married and procreated among the various ethnic groups that have invaded and colonised (say) England over the centuries.

I'm guessing that Philippa Gregory did her research before writing "The Queen's Fool) and that tells the story of a Jewish girl who is brought to England to escape persecution in the years between Henry VIII and Elizabeth I. That despite efforts to assimilate, to the point of eating pork and going to church, the kept their faith as best they could and she was found a Jewish husband (that was a fairly close relative).

With fewer potential matches available, within the Roma community it was (and still is truth be told) common for relatives of a closer affinity to marry than it is outside that community. I have know Jewish links, but I would assume that it at least was similar in that community.
This means that they are an ethnic group in a very genetic sense. I probably share far more genetically with a random Roma than someone who isn't.

Hitler most certainly would not have sent the Master Race - Aryans - to the gas chambers. But he happily sent other white ethic groups like the Slavs because he considered them ethnically inferior.

Apparently he did last year when he became that authoritative voice.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11452635/Footballer-Jason-Lee-accuses-David-Baddiel-new-layer-racist-abuse-blackface.html

What’s the difference between antisemitism and racism?

You are missing my point.

If you were a black woman, what term would you use to describe the specific oppression black people face, due to their history? If "racism" is something anyone can experience?

The whip has been removed.

Rightly

Maybe I won’t watch his documentary after all

Quite - did he ever apologise or explain ?

I'm a Jewish woman, so I can experience (and have experienced) not only misogyny, but also antisemitism and racism.

For many, Jews are either too white, or not white enough when really, we're not white at all, we're a whole other ethnic group. This is why we can experience racism.

HTH.

What she said was appalling and although I do not like Stamer he acted immediately and I do not doubt that this will be the end of Diane Abbot's career. As a life long Labour voter I am not especially impressed with them but come the next G E the prospect of another 5 years of the Tories fills me with utter horror. They have wrecked this country, it is as if we have been burgled as a nation. they have ransacked everything and then taken a shit on the carpet for good measure. Things just feel so bleak, I have never known such terrible times. I would say to anyone young, just get out

Ok I will. But again, I don’t think racism means ‘anyone Hitler would’ve sent to an extermination camp’.

David Baddiel's rebrand as an authoritative voice in anti-racism is remarkably impressive. Astonishing really.

When did Britain and Ireland have similar populations? Wikipedia says 1841 populations were 18m (Britain) and 8m (Ireland).

But it’s only racism if the reason you’re being targeted is due to your race. If Jewish isn’t a race, and you’re being targeted for being Jewish, then how can it be racism?

Are you aware that 'races' are not a biologically reality but a social construct? The world is made up of various ethnicities but actual different races of humans isn't real.