Diane Abbott

Sorry, I mean the lack of objectivity in her analysis

Also, I think DA’s comments played into ( intentionally or not) the idea that there is ranking of who should be viewed as the most disadvantaged group.

She was talking from her experience as she sees and experiences things and the lack of objectivity here puzzles me.

The antisemitism on this thread is just appalling.

But being Jewish isn't measured by going to synagogue and keeping kosher. It's more than a religion - one is born a Jew - if one's mother is Jewish, then the child is too.

David Baddiel mentions this all the time. He's an atheist, but he would still be rounded up for being Jewish.

The Nazis murdered 6 million Jews on the basis of their race. Genetic theory was the justification for this. It had very little to do with religion.

Strange that there are people on this thread who don’t seem to know that.

Isn’t the problem that racism shows itself in different ways to different groups?

with black men it might be excessive targeting or stop and search.

with travellers it exists in being barred from so many places ( including burning down a housing estate where travellers were moving into in Ireland)

with the Jewish community it exists ( for example) with attacks on schools ( when was the last time a predominantly black school in the U.K. was threatened with a bomb?)

so, different groups have different areas where they are targeted but they are all part of racism and experienced as such?

btw, stats on travellers show some truly horrendous facts

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/50-of-travellers-die-before-39-study-1.808703

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/498027/jewish/Are-Jews-a-Race.htm

I'm all for learning. This is an interesting article, the site as a whole is interesting if I'm honest I'm going down a rabbit hole

Any evidence of that ?

I'm firmly in the camp that any and all religions are total bollocks by the way !

@Wonnle Wow, an article that has been totally debunked. Well done you.

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/are-jews-a-race/

@Wonnle They are an ethnoreligious group. Educate yourself.

I gave a very, very specific example upthread of an incident I witnessed - without naming names - about the antisemitic culture enabled by Corbyn and his closest crew, and how their accommodation of antisemites impacted Jewish members of the LP. I know of many similar incidents that took place in other CLPs. There is also plenty information online that can help address your questions, as well as a MN thread last year on David Baddiel's documentary, which although a sewer of antisemitism, included a lot of very specific and horrendous examples. I'm sure it won't be hard to find. The fact is, the hard left has always had a problem with Jewish people because they don't fit their anti-Western narrative, and sadly Corbyn's Labour brought that into the mainstream and made it almost acceptable to question, goad and belittle Jews over their fears and concerns.

I mean, there's a Jewish PP above who was told by a non-Jewish Momentum member that she didn't understand antisemitisim FFS! So there's another gross example of how it became so normalised under his watch.

Jews are not a race they are however a religious group

Muslims are not a race either , nor are any other religions

Nonsense. I stated it quite clearly in the post and also in a subsequent one which you haven't got around to banning.

Either you didn't read them or you are flat out lying 🤥

I live in London and have done all my life. Depsite being one of the most cultured, urban and cosmopolitan cities in the world, the antisemitism is getting worse every year. This thread is not even half of what we have to put up with.

I hear you highfidelity 💐

@ MalagaNights
The dismissal of the experience of Jews of racism on this thread takes my breath away.

It's grotesque.

It's clear antisemitism is on the rise again in the West after 80 short years

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And it largely comes from the left which goes to show ignorant, stupid, prejudiced and racists come from both ends of the political spectrum.

Solidarity with you and am so angry for what you have to put up with.

Like you, I'm 100% European Jewish. I am a cultural and ethnic Jew, rather than a religious one. That said, these past few years I have taken more of an interest and started to practise, in part I think because I feel I have to given the oppression and persecution Jews have faced, and still face. Now, when I fill in forms, I no longer state I am white British. The number of Jews in the UK is less than half of one percent. I want to be counted.

At school, the most bullying antisemites I encountered were the history teachers. One even refused to teach the Holocaust. As I missed several classes at the beginning of the school year due to Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur, I was already marked out and othered at the start. Over the past two decades, I have been spat at, sent revolting emails from strangers when I did OLD telling me I should have been gassed. I even had an-ex close friend who is a huge Corbyn/Momentum supporter tell me I am ignorant about antisemitism. He is not Jewish. Being told I don't understand antisemitism is a theme among those whom are not Jewish.

I live in London and have done all my life. Depsite being one of the most cultured, urban and cosmopolitan cities in the world, the antisemitism is getting worse every year. This thread is not even half of what we have to put up with.

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/whoopi-goldberg-i-m-jewish-and-i-talk-to-god-1.23000

I’m sure I read it somewhere.

When I asked my FIL the full Jewish name I went off to research it for my children. What I found really odd was that I had to ask him as he hadn't told his children and they were learning their family history along with me. My Irish family in comparison couldn't tell you enough family history. I found it fascinating how far their ancestors had travelled.

She is staggeringly ignorant to have said what she said and blatantly racist herself.

As a Jew, I completely agree with you. Reading this thread has made me feel so, so sick.

Diane Abbot has been the target of appalling racism over and over, but this doesn’t mean she gets a free pass to be racist herself.

As for those insisting there’s a hierarchy of racism and those with black skin are at the top of it, with other peoples’ experience of racism being lesser? Words fail.

I think everything thinks what she said was badly worded. But it’s interesting that, on this thread alone, there have been at least three Jewish people defending the gist of her point. There comments were largely ignore of course. Which is pretty similar to what happened to the hundreds of voices from Jewish Labour who spoke up to defend Jeremy Corbyn - all completely ignored by the media, in favour of articles by non-Jewish columnists seemingly claiming to speak on behalf of every Jewish person in Britain (printed in newspapers which saw fit to mock Jewish Labour leader Ed Miliband for how he ate a bacon sandwich).

Yes how absolutely awful for you.

She really is a piece of work

Just to clarify Diane Abbott can fuck the fuck off and anyone else who don’t think we experience racism, along with people of Irish and Travellers.. I didn’t mean Irish and Travellers should FO. I meant we ALL experience racism.