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BrownieBadgeGiving · 15/03/2023 08:25

DD is 8 and does Brownies.

She loves it, the craft, the games etc. are really good for her in general.
Usually each half term they have badge given, unless less than half the girls don’t have badges to be given.

October half term, they’d had a lot of new starters so no badges given. December/Christmas Brown Owl had covid so it moved online for 2 weeks and promised to do it at February. February badge giving was cancelled on the night when they realised the older girls (the 9- and 10-Year-olds) where all from the same school and away on a residential.

We’ve just been told the Easter one won’t be going ahead as they don’t have enough DBS checked leaders to open on that night and have to have so many leaders with DBS checks even if they have parents helping to open. So that one will also be online.

I am frustrated for DD, she’s done 4 interest badges since the start of the summer holidays and has gone nearly 1 full academic year since she got a new badge – they’ve given out the event badges – Queens Commemoritive, Remembrance, Christmas and Thinking Day that everyone locally gets but the programme and interest badges haven’t been given. She wants to keep going to see her friends and loves the sleepovers but finding it strange that her badges have stayed the same since last Summer.

I know one girl left at Christmas to go to Guides and her Guides leaders gave her her badges, even though they also usually do badge giving each half term.

I accepted October being the first half term of the year they didn’t have enough to give out, and December/Christmas was unavoidable to be online. But it seems a bit unfair now that DD has no idea if/when she’ll get any badges and has no idea of progress. She’s desperate to work towards Silver (she has Bronze) but doesn’t know if she’s got it or whether she needs to do another Interest badge -there’s two themes she hasn’t touched the Interest Badges for yet.

It seems it’s local policy to do a half termly badge giving as Rainbows before this was the same. But WIBU to ask if badges can be given out at the start of the summer term? Or will there be new starters then to?

I feel so sorry for the two girls off to Guides who’ve not had their badges either, so it’s about all the others as much as DD.

So WIBU to ask for at least a progress report for DD? I don’t expect details like at school just a “Yes she needs to do an Interest badge from this theme” or “No she’s fine and will get her Silver next time”

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Fairysparkle84 · 20/12/2023 23:46

My eldest daughters unit gave badges out once a year at parents night.

my younger daughters current unit gives them
out as soon as they do them other than an odd time we have sprung a last minute interest badge on them. She asks us to wait till
she has enough badges or uniform to get free postage from the guide shop. We used to have a shop in Glasgow but it closed a few years ago so I think they need £35 worth of badges before it’s free. I do know she has a stack of all the common interest badges like painter, baker,dancer,performer but we have had to wait for some of the more unusual ones like language.

they also do 2 skill builders a term and they get them as soon as they do them.

BrownieBadgeGiving · 25/03/2023 09:49

Neverplayleapfrogwithmrpipes · 24/03/2023 22:15

Hi guider here, it is worth asking her leader if she can have any owed badges soon.
This poster will help you see what she needs for each theme award. Is she doing interest badges at home?

@Neverplayleapfrogwithmrpipes Yes she does Interest Badges at home, apart from occasionally when the DC runs events for all the Brownies in the area and does a badge or two with them (hasn't done any this year yet, but there was one last year) - but again these badges are given by the unit not the DC.

She has 2 interest badges on her uniform already (she doesn't like the badge sash), and is waiting for 4 interest badges. She's also got 2 skills builders, 2 themes and her Bronze on her uniform. I guess we're waiting for 2 or 3 skills builders, 1 or 2 themes and possibly her Silver, although I'd love to know how far away she is from that.

She did Rainbows beforehand and did all 6 themes and got her Gold, and did all 12 Interest Badges she just loves doing them.

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TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl · 24/03/2023 22:27

I’m a girl guide leader and we don’t only give one badge a term. We give them out when they’ve put in the work. We’d rather they stick to the themes so everyine is doing the same badges at the same time but it’s not a hard and fast rule

Neverplayleapfrogwithmrpipes · 24/03/2023 22:21

As for the online records. I don't use that for my unit, we use paper records as I find it easier. Your brownies may run theirs similarly

Neverplayleapfrogwithmrpipes · 24/03/2023 22:15

Hi guider here, it is worth asking her leader if she can have any owed badges soon.
This poster will help you see what she needs for each theme award. Is she doing interest badges at home?

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Noodledoodledoo · 24/03/2023 22:11

All leaders will do it differently, I'm a Guide leader and do it differently depending on the badge/when girl tells me/activity I am running that night to be honest.

Interest badges if I have them in stock (I attempt to keep 1/2 of each of them) I will hand out that night, if I spot it means the theme award is due as well I do that as well. SB/Challenge badges - I have spent today, my day off from work, putting all the badges due from this term in envelopes for all the girls. Plus a print out of where they are on the programme. Event badges - as I get them I will hand out that night, and add to folder if a girls is missing. I have a folder with a pocket for each girl and I will add in badges as I get them if I don't hand out straight away.

My Son's beavers hand out badges once a term, so scouts are just as varied in process.

DBS are free, and if you are listed as an Occasional Helper you can be DBS and not have to have membership paid for you.

I would love for someone to offer to do my admin, adding badges etc to go is another job to do, I know many leaders who just do it on a bit of paper, we do not have to update Go. I am not joking when I say I have spent today on Guiding Admin, organising forms for next term, chasing payments for a guide holiday, sorting 3 activity days, inviting girls to join us next term, sorting out the celebration for 3 Gold awards next week and sorting this terms badges. I still need to finalise planning for the holiday for 30+ kids I am running in June. This is on top of a crazy nearly full time job and 2 of my own children who don't come to my unit. Cut your leaders some slack, ask nicely and offer to do some of the admin for her.

456pickupsticks · 24/03/2023 21:44

As a leader, I would definitely not be offended to get a polite email saying;
"Hi Brown Owl, 'Brownie' has really enjoyed Brownies and working on interest badges at home over this year. She has been asking when she'll get the actual badges as she is wanting then sewn onto her sash and to show them off, so I just wanted to drop you an email and ask when they'll be awarded, or whether there's anything else she needs to do at home to achieve them? Thanks XXXX (Brownie's mum)"

If you're willing to volunteer, you definitely won't have to pay for your own DBS check, but if you're only able to attend a few times a term to regular sessions, you may not need one (If you'd not be left alone with any girls, and weren't coming more than a few times a term - further guidance is on the website about this). The cost they may have been referring to is census, which is an annual subscription payment for all members, for our area this year it was near £50 a head, and we definitely couldn't have afforded to have four more adults to pay for if they were only helping out a few times a term. You may be able to be added as an occasional district helper to avoid this charge though.

Gymmum82 · 17/03/2023 10:35

DBS check is funded by girlguiding. I’d suggest you step up as a leader if you want to have a say in how the group is run. Clearly they are struggling for leaders. If you do your leader in training it is all paid for. Nothing comes out of your pocket and you can help run the group as you see fit

AnneElliott · 17/03/2023 10:26

We order ours after we've done our planing. So we know what badges were working on and order them. And then the beavers get them once complete. I think our lot would mutiny off we went to half termly! They really love the badges but of the evening!

Of course if someone does something outside of the meeting (stuff we can't really do like cycling) then we'd have to get that separately and we wouldn't order online for 1. But we get though so many that we do keep a stock of the regular activity badges plus some of the lower staged badges too.

mumoffourminimes · 17/03/2023 10:00

I do half termly badges for reasons others have mentioned. It's an afternoons trek out or delivery fees and I can't do that on a weekly basis.

Spareincoming · 17/03/2023 09:54

@AnneElliott I do termly badge awarding at my unit for two reasons; one being the cost of purchase and postage; it’s cheaper for me to order in bulk as we’re very rural so no shop to pop to and I give the girls a term of opportunity to present me with their badge evidence for anything they’re achieving elsewhere. The girls also can bring in anything related to their achievements on our Badge Night and discuss it with their peers.

I used to do it half termly, but feedback from the unit is that they like having an evening of achievement per term.

budgiegirl · 17/03/2023 09:31

There can be a lot of admin for what looks very simple!

This. I'm a cub leader, and buy badges from an online scout shop (nearest shop is 8 miles, and only open 2 hours a week). I used to buy everything I thought I would need at the beginning of each term, but ended up over-ordering and wasting money. Now I place an order two or three times a term, buying only what has been achieved, and award badges usually a few weeks after they have been earned. This sometimes means that cubs have to wait a little longer, especially if badges are out of stock. We don't have a special evening for it, with the exception of awarding the Silver Award, which we do at the last meeting of each term.

It's quite a nice idea to have an awards evening once per half term. But it does seem to be a bit daft that if one award evening had to be cancelled, then it's not just moved to the next meeting.

PuttingDownRoots · 17/03/2023 09:15

In my old Scout district I had to order badges from the district badge secretary by a certain date each month then pick them up a week or so later. It was a balancing act of forecasting badges that would be earned by a certain date but not over ordering, then the badges being out of stock at headquarters (there was supply issues fir a long time...)

Current district... the opening hours coincides perfectly with our operating hours, in another part of town. We rely on the Beaver leader going on her way home from work.

There can be a lot of admin for what looks very simple!

So only do badge awarding every half term is understandable. Its the not doing it on the next meeting if one has to be cancelled which is unfair to the children.

SnowAndFrostOutside · 17/03/2023 08:55

@SockQueen that makes a lot of sense. Our local guide shop is very local. It's in the guide hall where my daughter's rainbows and guides units meet. It also open for many more hours. That will be why all the units they have been give out badges within a week or two.

SockQueen · 16/03/2023 21:17

AnneElliott · 16/03/2023 20:53

I'm a beaver leader rather than Brownies but I can't understand why some groups only do badges at half term? We give ours out as soon as the kids have achieved them.

For me, it depends at least partly on what badges I have in stock! We can't afford to keep lots of interest badges in our unit stock "just in case," and getting them involves either a trip to the local Guide shop (only open for two hours on a Saturday) or ordering online and having to pay delivery charges, which seems wasteful if it's only for a few badges. Sometimes I might have some of the popular ones (Baking and Performing are my Brownies' favourites) left over as spares, but otherwise they have to wait till I can next get to the shop.

I tend to do a trip to the shop a couple of times a term, stock up on whatever badges the whole unit has been doing, and pick up any interest badges that have been earned.

AnneElliott · 16/03/2023 20:53

I'm a beaver leader rather than Brownies but I can't understand why some groups only do badges at half term? We give ours out as soon as the kids have achieved them.

Frozen9 · 16/03/2023 17:24

Marmite27 · 15/03/2023 10:17

For those with girls who aren’t enjoying a particular unit, you do know you can change unit don’t you - if another one is available locally of course.

My DC and I moved units when the first one we tried wasn’t a very good fit. All that needs to happen is your district commissioner needs to transfer you on GO. I contacted ours and told them we wanted to move.

Would be fine if the leader wasn’t the DC and didn’t have her hand in bloody everything 😅

Nopicplease · 16/03/2023 08:00

Twocrabs20 · 15/03/2023 10:07

@Frozen9 I quite agree about leaders leaving as not being supported. I ran a really fun, varied and badge focused unit. Annual camps and lots of additional extra-curricular activities. I gave my time, heart, blood and everything to it - because god knows between health and safety assessments, managing funds, completing forms, ensuring adequate supplies etc; it takes SO MUCH of your time.
In the end I left because of toxic, pernicious and officious intervention by a district leader / supervisor. And no fair allocation of any new volunteers amongst the district.
I doubt I will ever go back. For a volunteer who gave all my heart and soul to this little community unit, I am frankly disgusted by how badly they can treat you.
I miss the girls and running fun and challenging activities for them, but not everything else that goes with it.
What I have found with units, is that it is very much leader dependent. Units are only as good as the leader(s) time, commitment and energy to run a diverse, fun and badge led group

Have you considered offering your skills to a local scout group?
I'm an assistant beaver leader and we would love to have someone like you join us and we don't seem to have the same management issues that guiding has.

BrownieBadgeGiving · 16/03/2023 07:52

siestaingsnake · 16/03/2023 00:34

OmgI did not know parents can see badges girls earn. When did this happen? Really need to get my finger out to update my Rainbows badges rather just having it on their paper sheets

@siestaingsnake Our Brownies haven't updated our Go, I can only see DDs Rainbows badges on it, none of her awarded Brownies ones.

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BrownieBadgeGiving · 16/03/2023 07:52

Becles · 15/03/2023 23:18

she has 7 - 2 interest, 2 skill builder and 2 themes, and Bronze

Skills Builders = need 4 out of 5 different activities over 3-5 weeks

Themes = need 180 (approx) minutes of unit meeting activities for each theme

2x skills Builders = at say 7 weeks if some are compressed

2x Themes worth of unit meeting activities = 180x2 minutes = 360 minutes or 6 hours of prescribed activities (some take longer than the prescribed and others shorter).

You can't get a theme award without:
A related interest badge that were designed to be done at home
completing 4 activities from a 5 set skills builder (volunteers likely to run all 5 so girls who are off have a chance)
180 minutes of theme related unit meeting activities.

If the Brownie is there most weeks, the volunteers can award a skills builder while trying to encourage interest badges at home and working out who needs more minutes to get which theme award and balance the programme - which means ideally the unit meeting activities should be from various different themes to the skills builder.

Is she doing interest badges at home?

Your unit is doing better than me. I don't record on the system and have an excel spreadsheet. I plan on a skills builder a term and try to work out how to maximise unit meeting activities, but I'm not able to get any traction for interest badges at home unless it's at a brownie holiday.

@Becles She's done 2 interest badges outside of meetings that have been awarded and done 4 more that I'm not sure if they'll be awarded yet.

There's badges from 2 themes she's not done yet.

She did all 12 interest badges at Rainbows so I'm assuming she'll do most if not all for Brownies

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3littlebeans · 16/03/2023 00:45

I thought this would be about the "new" badges. I really didn't like the new system or the new style of badges.

Mine have crossed over to the dark side of scouts- an excellent unit and the traditional badges are on there ...

siestaingsnake · 16/03/2023 00:34

OmgI did not know parents can see badges girls earn. When did this happen? Really need to get my finger out to update my Rainbows badges rather just having it on their paper sheets

Becles · 15/03/2023 23:18

she has 7 - 2 interest, 2 skill builder and 2 themes, and Bronze

Skills Builders = need 4 out of 5 different activities over 3-5 weeks

Themes = need 180 (approx) minutes of unit meeting activities for each theme

2x skills Builders = at say 7 weeks if some are compressed

2x Themes worth of unit meeting activities = 180x2 minutes = 360 minutes or 6 hours of prescribed activities (some take longer than the prescribed and others shorter).

You can't get a theme award without:
A related interest badge that were designed to be done at home
completing 4 activities from a 5 set skills builder (volunteers likely to run all 5 so girls who are off have a chance)
180 minutes of theme related unit meeting activities.

If the Brownie is there most weeks, the volunteers can award a skills builder while trying to encourage interest badges at home and working out who needs more minutes to get which theme award and balance the programme - which means ideally the unit meeting activities should be from various different themes to the skills builder.

Is she doing interest badges at home?

Your unit is doing better than me. I don't record on the system and have an excel spreadsheet. I plan on a skills builder a term and try to work out how to maximise unit meeting activities, but I'm not able to get any traction for interest badges at home unless it's at a brownie holiday.

BrownieBadgeGiving · 15/03/2023 13:32

LittleOwl153 · 15/03/2023 13:15

Maybe if you have time at other points OP you could offer to do some of the admin work for them - enter stuff on the GO system etc. I do this for 2 of our units- I'm an ex-leader who currently can't commit to weekly meetings.

In terms of cost - I've never heard of DBS checks being paid for in guiding. However if you help more than I think its twice a term then you have to be on the membership list as a helper - which just cost our units nearly £50 a head in census. You can get around this by being in certain roles - the district commissioner should know what these are.

In terms of what badges shes already got...You asked about finding what she's got recorded on GO...

If you go to girlguiding.org.uk click at the top to 'log in to GO' once youbare logged in - click on my daughters, then on the right hand side of the page next to her name there is a drop down menu... from this click view/edit.. then towards the bottom of that page there is a 'badges' link. (Bear in mind not all units put all the badges on here as its time consuming!) There is another drop down under that heading which you can pick Theme awards from to see where she's at with each of the 6 themes (she needs 2 themes for bronze, 4 for silver, 6 for gold) Brownies need 180 minutes, one skills builder's and 1 interest badge in a theme to fet the theme award. (I'm hoping you can se that last bit as I have a dual login for leader and daughter!)

Another way of looking at it is that she needs 6 interest badges - one of each colour to get gold. It does not matter in which order she does them they will still count for the theme when she has the other bits complete. If she know what topics they've done this year in terms of skills builder's- e.g. First Aid, Camp etc (there are some skill builder descriptions in her badge book if shes not sure) then you can match the colours to know which interest badges she needs to complete for the matching theme awards. There is a chart in the front of her badge book or if you search "Brownie badges poster new programme" there is a good one on (I think) the Tamworth guides Web pages with the same info.

Hopefully that makes sense - I've edited and added in bits so hopefully haven't confused it!!

@LittleOwl153 Sorry, I can see she's listed as being active in her new unit but just not the badge she's completed with them as they're not listed is what I meant above.

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BrownieBadgeGiving · 15/03/2023 13:32

Thatwastheweekthatwasnt · 15/03/2023 13:17

I'm sure when I was a child if you got a badge it was given to you the week you earned it and you skipped out the hall clutching it to show off to your parents. It's sad to see this isn't the norm now.

@Thatwastheweekthatwasnt I have no issue with the way it's done it just seems like ages (it is) since she had any given to her. I know it's not entirely the leaders fault, they can't help getting covid or the fact that half the units missing due to a residential.

I will be asking if they're going to present them in the first week of the summer term though.

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