Peter Andre

Hear hear. Thank you.

Jesus Christ @Moonicorn what's wrong with you? When someone posts their experience of abuse you don't dismiss it with "oh well that's your sad story"

And actually no it's not just her sad story, people do it too often, just like the old "isolated incident" line when abuse turns deadly. No, it's not one sad story and no it's not an isolated incident. The abuse huge amount of women have to face from men is at epidemic levels and that is because of the amount of misogyny and woman hatred in society that these men are being raised with. These "one sad stories" are all connected so let people connect the dots without dismissing them. It needs addressing ASAP and it won't ever be addressed if it's not first acknowledged.

Who is say "all men must be perfect at all times"? Show me where?

And also this thread is about Peter. The fact that so many posters are bringing Katie's behaviour into this is indicative of the fact that we cannot talk about things that effect women without some asshole trying to derail discussions by butting in with their completely irrelevant "women do it too" or "NAMALT" takes. And their embarrassing insistence on saying things like "imagine if a man did what this woman did, there'd be uproar". Come the fuck on, the only double standards here are coming from you, in that no way are you popping on to posts about female abusers to remind people "umm hey guys, don't forget that some men do this too"

If there's more uproar when a man does something there's a reason for that so just let people share their experiences and piss of with your dismissive finger wagging.

The one who lost the court battle with Colleen Rooney described him as Chipolata. I cannot undo this info.

Officially twat then.

He seems to be a man that's grabbed every last penny out of projecting himself as the worlds biggest 'nice guy' when I think there's easily enough online to demonstrate he's the exact opposite and an insecure and unpleasant little man who speaks horribly and manipulatively to the women he has relationships with and is cringe and smarmy to boot.

I remember a clip of him speaking to his current wife when she was very young and making her feel awful over a holiday booking, watching her desperately trying to pander to his feelings and stop him getting angry (even though he was the one being appalling) only confirmed for me exactly what I'd already seen watching the way he spoke to Katie Price. I'm no fan of hers but he seemed not to be able to cope that she was more famous than him. If his current wife had become a famous TV doctor as she clearly tried to do I expect it would've gone the same way.

I remember seeing someone refer to him as Peter "did you know I love my kids" Andre once and that made me chuckle. I'm sure he does but goodness me doesn't he want everyone to know that he's the better parent.

I've nothing against him.
If I had to weigh it up I'd say KP is more of a tw*t
than he is.

Yes, yes, yes.

”Oooh, he’s so lovely!”
“He can’t do enough to help”
”He’s always so kind and thoughtful!”
”He’s always so happy!” (Never saw him crack a smile myself).

Sadly, I have experience of the kind of man who sends flowers and calls colleagues and family members (parents and siblings), who are going though a hard time, offers and gives practical help and emotional support.

But me? Nothing. Just more shit and told to stop moaning and the classic, “I have no sympathy for people who don’t help themselves.” That only seemed to extend to me though.

People never see how they are behind closed doors, not even their extended family.

That last part "we all have opinions, that's why forums exist" is exactly true. So why is it when anybody comments anything even remotely in favour of KP over on your tattle thread they are immediately lynched and accused of being a "FM".

We are all allowed our opinions - perhaps you need to remind your fellow tattle witches of this. One rule for the KP haters/obsessors - another rule for the rest of us who have lives and would just like to voice our opinions without getting attacked.

"I know they are. Many women are also riven with internalised misogyny which manifests in their inability to countenance that even if you dislike a woman she can still be the victim of a narcissistic abusive man. So much so that you completely missed that so focused were you on Katie Price. You can’t even admit to maybe they were both abusive."

Very well said @Eyerollcentral

Again though. Just because someone is nice to randos in the street or at the pub or in the local supermarket or amongst their friends does not invalidate the abuse their "loved ones" face at home.

I'm so sick of people perpetuating this "he's a nice guy" lie (not talking about Peter here btw). How many times do you need to be told?

My abuser is "a really nice chap" to everyone else (literally everyone else)

Every time yet another woman is killed by her BF/husband the friends and neighbours come out to say how shocked they are "but he's such a nice bloke".

Just fucking stop invalidating abuse just because "he's been nice to me"

Again before someone comes at me, I am not talking about Peter here as if he's about to murder someone of course. I'm talking specifically about your language how sick I am of the amount of people who will effectively dismiss a partner's experience with their superficial experiences l.

She had a nasty rant about her on her Instagram. It was around the time Emily was publicising a book she’d written on mental health for teenagers. In an interview I think Emily was asked about her relationship with Katie’s
childrem and she replied that she tried to act as a big sister and to provide some consistency. That’s all she said but it provoked the attached response. Emily sensibly did not retaliate.

Moonicorn, I'm not sure 'rights' come into it

@Moonicorn

Again, your sad story - nothing to do with PA. And doesn’t give you the right to imply somebody else is the same because ‘once they said something in a tone you didn’t like’ or whatever.

It's not a sad story at all, it ended with my getting the hell out of dodge and being inoculated against blokes who are professionally "nice" and "love their kids".

And I have as much right as the next person to opine on a thread where we were specifically invited to comment on what we thought at PA. Certainly as much as you do.

She is very damaged I agree. It’s sad. She continually makes terrible life choices and seems to be a magnet for awful, abusive much younger men who just want to sponge off her and use her fame to further their own careers.

I have recently been watching Katie's old shows (I know I know). They where clearly in a very Toxic relationship. Can't say I particularly like Peter. But Katie's seemed to be a good Mother and Dote on her children no?.
As a person she just seems damaged. I feel bad for her. In her therapy program she talks about being raped in a park at 7 years old. That is devastating and is bound to make you have future issues with picking the wrong men, toxic relationships, body image, depression and alcohol abuse.

I don’t mind him. He’s very cheesy. I think his marriage to Katie was quite a toxic pairing and their manager was far too involved and interfering. He probably kept her on the straight and narrow if truth be told. One thing I’ve noticed from Katie’s ‘Mucky Mansion’ program is how her their daughter Princess is much more mature than Katie is. It’s like she is the adult in the relationship, she’s very self aware for a teenager.

I do agree with smug and greasy though!

Smug, greasy and I suspect has a nasty side.

Again, your sad story - nothing to do with PA. And doesn’t give you the right to imply somebody else is the same because ‘once they said something in a tone you didn’t like’ or whatever.

Well, that’s your sad story isn’t it? Doesn’t make you an ‘expert’ at reading other people.

I have had moments over the years when I’ve had a bad day, been very stressed and must have looked a complete and utter bitch in public. How many of us have snapped at our children, or shouted at another driver in frustration, or sighed when told something we ordered to store hasn’t arrived when you’ve walked half an hour to collect it? Not regularly of course, but this ‘ALL MEN MUST BE PERFECT AT ALL TIMES ELSE THEYRE A CONTROLLING NARC’ is absolute bollocks.

He hasn’t been arrested, he hasn’t been accused of anything by his exes (apart from a small willy by KP - imagine if he has said she had a loose vagina? You lot would be RAGING). He’s had the odd shitty moment, stop pretending that makes somebody an all round bad egg.

@Moonicorn

See my last post. I lived with a bloke who did this for years and it ended with physical violence. I do have some experience of this.

There's no "end goal" really: I couldn't give a tinker's cuss about Peter Andre and his marriage. The OP asked for opinions and I gave mine. I don't owe PA a damn thing and if I see behaviour on video which looks like abuse I have a right to call it out.

If that’s your ‘evidence’ for someone being abusive then aren’t you being a bit unfair?

The language on here is so extreme. He’s probably vain, he’s a celebrity, they all are. But ‘narcissist’? Come on. These terms which used to be reserved for people who truly fitted them are now just wheeled out at any opportunity, particularly when it’s a man, and watering the whole thing down.

Like I said it doesn’t nobody any favours to just be bandying around ‘abusive’ or ‘narcissist’ just because ‘I didn’t like the tone of something he said years ago which was pretty innocuous’.

I mean what’s the end goal here?

But this absolute obsession on MN with painting every single man as ‘abusive’ or ‘controlling’ based on the flimsiest of ‘evidence’ is frankly, really unhealthy. And it really is an obsession now, like ‘who can be the best feminist by calling any man an abusive asshole first’

Look: I was married to a bloke who had traits like this. He would buy gifts purely out of control. He would buy expensive holidays and then bang on and on and on about how generous he had been. Or take you for a meal in the most expensive restaurant and buy champagne etc. And tell all your friends. And then hold it over you when you failed to appreciate him or comply with some request because he'd bought an iPad/a holiday/taken you for a posh meal.

I'm not obsessed with painting every man as abusive because I have better things to do but I lived with this for years and I can spot it a mile off. And this video creeped the fuck out of me because it was exactly the same tactics.

@Moonicorn

Some people maybe, but then some people think KP is a good mother so 😂

I don't think Katie Price is a model mother either but it's not a zero sum game.

And I know a narcissistic twat when I see one.

But you’re not, people are telling lightweight anecdotes about him and you’re saying it’s all bullshit.

Do I think PA is an AMAZING dad and all round 5* bloke? Probably not, but then most of them aren’t. He’s probably a mix of good and bad like most people.

But this absolute obsession on MN with painting every single man as ‘abusive’ or ‘controlling’ based on the flimsiest of ‘evidence’ is frankly, really unhealthy. And it really is an obsession now, like ‘who can be the best feminist by calling any man an abusive asshole first’

Remember ladies - your sons will be judged in the same way.