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ObamaLlamas · 07/03/2023 13:31

Any hints and tips on the application/interview process? I've just read they then do a 3 hour interview and ask you about your character etc as part of the vetting process. Is this true even as part of quite a basic job?! Seems overkill. It seems like such an enigma to get into and I'm desperate to get in but also feel a bit overwhelmed. Sorry posting for traffic.

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Vettrianofan · 06/01/2024 20:25

ObamaLlamas · 06/01/2024 16:15

Thanks. I ended up with a private company with way more salary than I could ever have expected in the CS or elsewhere. Better benefits (7 months full pay maternity leave for example) and a fantastic pension too (17% contribution) so I'm happy! 😀

Brilliant to hear - it's a win! Glad to hear you got the perfect job🙌

ObamaLlamas · 06/01/2024 16:15

Thanks. I ended up with a private company with way more salary than I could ever have expected in the CS or elsewhere. Better benefits (7 months full pay maternity leave for example) and a fantastic pension too (17% contribution) so I'm happy! 😀

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Dunnoburt · 04/01/2024 21:13

You cannot overkill security. Especially in CS.

Vettrianofan · 04/01/2024 21:05

I am sorry to hear that, but there are other opportunities out there outside of the CS. I have been looking at jobs there amongst other organisations like local authority and NHS. It appears you have to jump through so many hoops and then some with the CS!

ObamaLlamas · 04/01/2024 21:02

Vettrianofan · 04/01/2024 20:59

Did you get the job? Searching for anyone who has worked in Child Maintenance Services but nothing showed up but this thread.

Hope you got the job with ONS, OP.

No I did not get through sifting. I'm actually glad now because it just seems like a lot of paper pushing and red tape. I think the civil service needs an overhaul.

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Vettrianofan · 04/01/2024 20:59

Did you get the job? Searching for anyone who has worked in Child Maintenance Services but nothing showed up but this thread.

Hope you got the job with ONS, OP.

PlainJanePerfect · 10/03/2023 18:11

ObamaLlamas · 10/03/2023 13:45

The job advert closed yesterday, does anyone know how long usually you hear an outcome from sifting?

Each dept is a bit different but in mine it's 1-2 days for managers to sift and get scores in, up to 24 more hours for the internal recruiters to make sure we did it right and then release results. So 3 days in total unless there is a weekend and then that doesn't count.

ObamaLlamas · 10/03/2023 14:06

nonevernotever · 10/03/2023 13:59

Even if you worked in a team, you will still have to respond as if you lead that team
i would disagree with this bit though. I don't want you to pretend you were the boss if you weren't. I want you to tell me what your role was within that team and how you delivered in your tasks to help the whole team achieve the bigger goal
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Thanks thats basically what I've done, explained what I led the team on but did explain that I then regularly updated the key stakeholders such as management. To try and make clear I'm not claiming I was the manager but I was in charge of this piece of work.

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nonevernotever · 10/03/2023 13:59

Even if you worked in a team, you will still have to respond as if you lead that team
i would disagree with this bit though. I don't want you to pretend you were the boss if you weren't. I want you to tell me what your role was within that team and how you delivered in your tasks to help the whole team achieve the bigger goal
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nonevernotever · 10/03/2023 13:54

That's a how long is a piece of string question I'm afraid. It depends on how many applicants, the department's process, when diaries allow the panel to meet to discuss, whether the ONS HR department need to approve the results etcetc. Just don't expect anything to do with recruitment in the civil service to move quickly! And certainly if you're successful, don't give notice at your current job until you have a start date.

There are actually five levels of security clearance now - you can see more at www gov.uk/government/publications/united-kingdom-security-vetting-clearance-levels but unless you need Dv (unlikely as others have said) it's not intrusive.

tommika · 10/03/2023 13:53

ObamaLlamas · 10/03/2023 13:45

The job advert closed yesterday, does anyone know how long usually you hear an outcome from sifting?

The time will vary depending on the recruiting manager doing it

Ideally they will have planned for the application closure date and will sift & submit the invitations for interviews within days.
But they might not - a bit self defeating if they take their time as it just adds to the time in employing someone

ObamaLlamas · 10/03/2023 13:45

The job advert closed yesterday, does anyone know how long usually you hear an outcome from sifting?

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ObamaLlamas · 08/03/2023 13:07

PlainJanePerfect · 08/03/2023 12:04

Then you're already ahead. It can be surprising the random things the public write in that box. Best of luck!

Thank you so much.

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PlainJanePerfect · 08/03/2023 12:04

Then you're already ahead. It can be surprising the random things the public write in that box. Best of luck!

ObamaLlamas · 08/03/2023 11:39

PlainJanePerfect · 08/03/2023 04:20

Make sure you save the attached role profile, and I'd copy the campaign text into a Word doc. Once the post closes that is gone, and if you clear sift, you might want to reference them.

To clear sift, make sure your personal statement covers off each of the essential min criteria with an example. Figure it could be 200/250 words each thing.

So if it says do a personal statement reflecting:
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Then structure it

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Example

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Make it easy for the hiring manager to see how you clear it and make it hard to sift you out.

Thank you thats how I've laid it out so 🤞

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PlainJanePerfect · 08/03/2023 04:20

Make sure you save the attached role profile, and I'd copy the campaign text into a Word doc. Once the post closes that is gone, and if you clear sift, you might want to reference them.

To clear sift, make sure your personal statement covers off each of the essential min criteria with an example. Figure it could be 200/250 words each thing.

So if it says do a personal statement reflecting:
X
X
X
X

Then structure it

X
Example

X
Example

X
Example

X
Example

Make it easy for the hiring manager to see how you clear it and make it hard to sift you out.

ObamaLlamas · 07/03/2023 22:12

Thank you thats really put me at ease. It's a huge embarrassment in my life but literally the only thing I've ever done wrong - the only bad thing I've been through so I hope they'll see it for what it is.

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tommika · 07/03/2023 18:36

PS clearance is always slow, and the chances are that if they see your current one pending a lump sum then it’s likely that the process will take that long anyway.

Be open and vetters are ‘friendly’

tommika · 07/03/2023 18:32

ObamaLlamas · 07/03/2023 18:09

Thanks I do have debt but this will be cleared with a lump sum I'm due in June. I also went bankrupt 15 years ago but have had no problems since except normal debt like car finance, a 0% card for a new kitchen and other little bits. I have a mortgage and I'm otherwise a normal everyday family person! Will this be a problem do you think.

They should not be a problem:
Debt - that’s in hand
Bankruptcy - a formal managed process
Mortgage - standard (and it shows that you haven’t ended up homeless by not paying it)

For the debt that you’re pending a lump sum it will look fine on the assumption that you’re paying what’s due

Declare them all, and you may just get follow up questions

The only likely problem is if you are serially going into uncontrollable debt .

If say you’ve splashed out in the past, or had things happen in life and brought it into control then you’ll be good

ObamaLlamas · 07/03/2023 18:09

tommika · 07/03/2023 18:03

The Criminal record check is pretty much the minimum - you would make a declaration on any past criminal history, and checks will be just ensuring that you don’t have one

SC is the general standard, though not every role requires this. You fill in a form about you, family history, marriage etc, any debts (it’s OK to have debt, better if you don’t, and not a problem unless you’re going to need to sell government information to fund your drug & gambling habit, and whether or not you’re a spy, terrorist etc
This is just a questionnaire but you could get follow up queries to check something

The full vetting interview is for DV
It is possible to have a dodgy past with DV - just tell the vetting interviewer all about it
(They are vetting people to see if they are a security risk)

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None of the vetting information will go to the line manager etc. They will only know that you have valid clearance at the level

Only the vetting service have access to this information

Thanks I do have debt but this will be cleared with a lump sum I'm due in June. I also went bankrupt 15 years ago but have had no problems since except normal debt like car finance, a 0% card for a new kitchen and other little bits. I have a mortgage and I'm otherwise a normal everyday family person! Will this be a problem do you think.

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tommika · 07/03/2023 18:03

ObamaLlamas · 07/03/2023 16:30

This is what it says in the advert - has a bit been missed off?

"Security
Successful candidates must undergo a criminal record check.
Successful candidates must meet the security requirements before they can be appointed. The level of security needed is security check (opens in a new window)"

The Criminal record check is pretty much the minimum - you would make a declaration on any past criminal history, and checks will be just ensuring that you don’t have one

SC is the general standard, though not every role requires this. You fill in a form about you, family history, marriage etc, any debts (it’s OK to have debt, better if you don’t, and not a problem unless you’re going to need to sell government information to fund your drug & gambling habit, and whether or not you’re a spy, terrorist etc
This is just a questionnaire but you could get follow up queries to check something

The full vetting interview is for DV
It is possible to have a dodgy past with DV - just tell the vetting interviewer all about it
(They are vetting people to see if they are a security risk)

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None of the vetting information will go to the line manager etc. They will only know that you have valid clearance at the level

Only the vetting service have access to this information

dillite · 07/03/2023 17:34

Everyone so far has given very useful answers. All I am going to add- you must give specific examples- no general descriptions of situations. And everything has to be " I did this, I did that, I raised this, I suggested", etc. Even if you worked in a team, you will still have to respond as if you lead that team. Also, for strengths, try and tie in an example, like being asked "how easy do you find change" or whatever, it is best to tie in your peraonal response with an event and reflect on that event when you reply.

ObamaLlamas · 07/03/2023 17:16

Thank you both thats good to know.

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ThreeB · 07/03/2023 16:45

There is no vetting interview for an SC (security check) clearance, it's based around a questionnaire which is then checked against records. It's not hugely intrusive and no where near the level for DV which is the ones with the interviews. Very few roles need DV and they're usually only in the big departments (eg Defence)

IfYouDontAsk · 07/03/2023 16:32

There’s no interview for the vetting process at security check (SC) clearance level

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