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Goodbyesunhellomoonio · 23/01/2023 17:54

Feeling so guilty most days as I feel i’m always telling Dd, 4, 6 off recently.
She just doesn’t listen to anything I say, is disobedient, rude at times, shouts and hits sometimes. She’s also v bright, v sweet and loving and we adore her. I just feel she never stops doing things she’s not supposed to…annoying the dog or jumping and climbing all over the sofa, getting food out of the fridge etc etc. She’s very intense and extra.
I realise these are probably things kids this age do?
End up feeling really guilty every night for not having more patience with her 😒

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Emma8924 · 17/01/2024 00:24

You don’t need to tell her off for any little thing she does that you don’t like or agree with. Otherwise when it is actually something that matters she won’t listen as it’ll be oh moms just moaning as usual.

some things kids do u just got to tolerate. Kids aren’t like adults they aren’t meant to sit still, adults don’t want to jump on the sofa kids do.

Sounds like you need to learn to lick your battles

WolfFoxHare · 23/01/2023 21:34

I'm not sure I’d do this - she might end up resenting the dog which could cause future issues.

Comeonbarbiebrianharvey · 23/01/2023 21:23

Read your 4 year old wild and wonderful louise ames bates. You re not alone it's testing! Getting outside helps or a kids you tube dance video for 10min

GeorgiaGirl52 · 23/01/2023 20:54

If losing her weekend allowance affects her, use that. Get a clear plastic container with a lid. Put her weekly allowance in the container, broken into small amounts, pennies, dimes, etc. Tell her every time she bothers the dog, she will lose one coin. When she bothers the dog, take her to the container and have her remove a coin and put it in a piggy bank to buy treats for the dog. As she visually SEES her money disappear and given to the dog, she will think twice.
On the weekend, take her to spend what money (if any) she has left and they let her use the piggybank money to buy the dog a toy or treat.

LunaAndHerMoonDragons · 23/01/2023 20:40

Goodbyesunhellomoonio · 23/01/2023 19:55

@Singleandproud This is the thing, I always get her out in the woods or beach, walking with our dog and she often complains she’s too tired to walk 🙈but comes back and messes about

That's very common. Do you push through get her to keep walking or go home? I'll tell DC we need to keep walking as I know they still have energy to get out. You could try putting on music and encouraging her to dance instead of jump. I find redirection more useful at this age, a firm "we don't jump on furniture" followed by some redirection, "if your body feels like it needs to jump you can jump it out on the trampoline, if you're feeling wiggly we can put some music on you can dance to."

Sensory seeking behaviour can be a sign of ADHD or ASD, but children can be sensory seeking or sensory avoidant without being ND. If she's seeking increased sensory movement input that means her body is probably under reactive to movement.

Climbers and jumpers are looking for vestibular and proprioceptive input. It helps them know where their body is, gives them the feedback they need. If you google things like alternative sensory activities for climbers and jumpers or vestibular/proprioceptive input for jumpers you'll find a lot of ideas to work through. My jumper likes swinging and spinning. You can get toys that provide these inputs, sensory swings can go indoors if you have room.

Goodbyesunhellomoonio · 23/01/2023 20:10

@SleepingStandingUp It’s just the repetition I think, I feel so bad but inside I feel irritated. She will just go around and around and around again and again and again

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Goodbyesunhellomoonio · 23/01/2023 18:45

@WolfFoxHare We do the countdown (but from 5 backwards) and tbh it’s the only thing that’s ever really works, I can’t spend all day doing that though. I just feel like recently, I’m talking to myself…I can literally ask/tell her not to do something five times and it’s ignored..😣I feel permanently irritated by it at the moment. She wasn’t like this when younger

If saying the words on repeat doesn't work and counting does, you absolutely can.
Amelia, put the door back and come out of the fridge.....Amelia,5! 4! Thank you for doing as I asked.

What is it about building forts and climbing over them that annoys you?

Goodbyesunhellomoonio · 23/01/2023 19:57

@Shutupyoutart She does struggle to control her emotions, we’re really trying to help her with that. She lacks patience and gets angry if she can’t do something etc-but again, this can be an age thing too? I’m not sure

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Mariposista · 23/01/2023 19:55

Provided that you also praise her when she is behaving well, give her cuddles when she is being sweet, there is no problem in constantly correcting her bad behavior

Goodbyesunhellomoonio · 23/01/2023 19:55

@Singleandproud This is the thing, I always get her out in the woods or beach, walking with our dog and she often complains she’s too tired to walk 🙈but comes back and messes about

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Goodbyesunhellomoonio · 23/01/2023 19:54

@Howeverdoyouneedme She has a mini one from when she was little and a large one in the garden since summer, she does go on the larger one, but likes to set up all the dining chairs near the sofa and make bridges and climbing routes etc. I’ve been letting her but inside it drives me insane watching her doing it again and again

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FurAndFeathers · 23/01/2023 19:53

Goodbyesunhellomoonio · 23/01/2023 19:05

Is sensation seeking Adhd?
She’s forever getting our dining room chairs, setting them up and climbing over them again and again.
She’s worse when tired, but won’t sit still 🤷🏻‍♀️
She can also have times where she’s calm and concentrates, seems to have been a bad week, lots of losing her temper and none stop…ness

Yes sensory seeking is a sign - we’re dopamine-driven and always seeking the next hit!

we can also be incredibly focussed

She’s very little and may just be an energetic 4 year old but it’s worth considering as she gets older - my relationship with my mum was dreadful and I think a lot of that could have been mitigated if it had been recognised earlier

www.verywellmind.com/adhd-in-girls-symptoms-of-adhd-in-girls-20547

LeafHunter · 23/01/2023 19:44

What are the consequences when she doesn’t listen? What has changed between when she didn’t do this and now?

Sleepless1096 · 23/01/2023 19:41

I find I have to say things a thousand times before my 5yo remembers to do/not to do them without prompting. I just console myself that when I say "Do that!" or "Don't do this!", I only have to say it 999 times more before he actually assimilates it in his brain.

Shutupyoutart · 23/01/2023 19:14

Hi op sensory seeking behaviors can look like adhd yes but doesn't necessarily mean that it is that, it Could be spd(sensory processing disorder) or she could just be a high energy child! You mentioned she hits, does she struggle to control her emotions?

Singleandproud · 23/01/2023 19:09

It's been cold for quite a while, have you cut back on park trips etc? I know I used to in the colder weather.

Maybe look into local climbing centres they will have young children's sessions and let her channel it and wear how out.

Howeverdoyouneedme · 23/01/2023 19:06

Could you have a mini trampoline she could bounce on instead? I think you need to be firm about the dog.

Goodbyesunhellomoonio · 23/01/2023 19:05

Is sensation seeking Adhd?
She’s forever getting our dining room chairs, setting them up and climbing over them again and again.
She’s worse when tired, but won’t sit still 🤷🏻‍♀️
She can also have times where she’s calm and concentrates, seems to have been a bad week, lots of losing her temper and none stop…ness

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Shutupyoutart · 23/01/2023 19:01

She sounds like she's sensory seeking, my son is the same constantly on the go does a lot of the things you describe. Try and make sure she has plenty of outlets to move, space hopper, indoor trampoline, lots of outside time etc. I don't have much advice op it can be tiring when your child is constantly in action, but I stand with you in solidarity! Also try not to beat yourself up, just take each day as it comes and like someone else said picking your battles! X

Singleandproud · 23/01/2023 18:59

She's still very young and her brain is still a long way from being fully developed try and keep that in mind and count to 10 yourself in your head before speaking to her unless she or someone else is in danger or something will get broken.

Don't bother taking treat money from her, consequences have to be immediate and linked to the 'crime'. Four year olds are unlikely to make the link or care about pocket money.

Don't tell her what not to do, young children don't hear the negatives you have to give them a positive direction, "Both feet on the floor" etc

You can never rule out neuro diversity, most children aren't picked up until well into their teens, try to find a positive outlet for this behaviour it might be naughty and willfull or she may not be able to help it and telling her off for something she may not be able to control is pointless.

She likes climbing and jumping on things? Get her a wobble board and a little trampette thing. Redirect her there everytime.
She annoys the dog? They can't be in the same room together.

WolfFoxHare · 23/01/2023 18:50

@Goodbyesunhellomoonio
We have to tell DS to do everything 3-4 times at least. It’s enraging at times and I do lose my temper sometimes. DS has some concentration issues for which he’s on the SEND register at school - not bad enough to be diagnosed as ADHD or similar but bad enough to lack focus at times. Could there be any similar issues with your DD? Not to pathologise it - all my friends’ kids seem to need telling half a dozen times before they do what they’re supposed to do.

MeinKraft · 23/01/2023 18:47

Try reading Calmer, Easier, Happier Parenting

Reclining · 23/01/2023 18:47

I know how you feel! Do you redirect, eg "if you want to jump you can jump on the floor"? Dr Siggie on Instagram is good. And, as much as the name pains me to type, 'ourmamavillage'.

FurAndFeathers · 23/01/2023 18:45

It sounds like she might need a bit more positive reinforcement.

also she sounds a bit sensation-seeking - any chance of ADHD? It’s often underdiagnosed in girls

Goodbyesunhellomoonio · 23/01/2023 18:45

@WolfFoxHare We do the countdown (but from 5 backwards) and tbh it’s the only thing that’s ever really works, I can’t spend all day doing that though. I just feel like recently, I’m talking to myself…I can literally ask/tell her not to do something five times and it’s ignored..😣I feel permanently irritated by it at the moment. She wasn’t like this when younger

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