CSA - they do fuck all

Depressing to read that women are facilitating men avoiding paying for their kids by having money paid into their accounts etc. Imagine helping someone to deprive their children like that? Not sure why this bothers me so much - I think I must apply higher standards to women! My own dad was a deadbeat alcoholic who left the country to avoid paying for me.

The CSA have ruined so many lives.
Many years ago DH got a letter from them stating that he had been namedBy a woman as the probable father if her child. Apparently they were targetting all men whose christian name was spelt the same way as DHs.
Furious DH had an argument on the phone with them, saying that it have caused a lot of trouble between us.
They just said it wasn't their problem if 'your spouse gets upset '

@Mydogatemypurse

Regarding the petition, just checked the government petitions website.....
so there has been in the past closed petitions for making non payment of child maintenance a criminal offence as well as another petition to reform the child maintenance service so it's fit for purpose. But unfortunately there has not been enough signatures for it to be debated in parliament. I think it would need to reach about 100,000 signatures, but any petitions about child maintenance reach about 5,000 maximum.

I don't know what the next steps are. Someone has suggested making the staff from child maintenance service aware of their powers, what they're able to do etc. So they can enforce things more.

Or another petition which has high numbers of publicity/social media coverage?

I will help as much as I can. These men are ruining lives and childhoods.

Is there any kind of second stage to this... like if a petition is brought up again and again?

Regarding a petition, there was a petition about this a few months ago on the government Petitions website, which may have been discussed in parliament I think. I signed petition, but have not heard anything changing.

Dads (or any non resident parent, including women/mothers), who don't pay are scum of the earth, and should be treated as such. Jail them, seize their assets, go after their benefits, bank accounts.

This can not go on, it's the children that suffer in the end.

In a different type of incompetence, I’ve ended up with a ridiculous situation where it basically says my weekly owed maintenance is £100, so my payment schedule is £250 per month. They take the money from him and pass it to me.
I’ll spend hours on hold waiting to speak to somebody, they’ll eventually agree that it doesn’t make any sense, and that it’s just increasing arrears further (£3k & counting) but then say that the computer system works it all out and there’s nothing anybody can do. They often struggle to understand that I’m not disputing the annual amount, just the nonsensical payment schedule.

My ex is PAYE, hasn’t moved jobs, hasn’t attempted to hide (he’s too lazy for that). If they can’t sort this situation out correctly, what hope does anyone else have?

The venomous fathers for justice site are very erm helpful via their forum for this. "I'm not a cash machine" was a particularly admiral campaign.

Im happy to help I write reports for a living.

Report for benefit fraud

And this is why so many adults have nothing to do with their useless fathers.

Went through this stage myself. The banks do not have to respond in a timely manner. And when they do, they only send the balance of THAT day. Also, CMS notify the NRP - that gives them time to move funds.

I agree. I don’t have a child, but it infuriates me to see so many women struggling, whilst the fathers waltz off, and think they’re being clever by avoiding payments.

If someone wants to put a petition to get this issue addressed in Parliament, I’d definitely sign it, and send to friends, family, colleagues…

My dmum had a nightmare with them I'm one of 3 dc. He left when youngest was 2. DMum signed up to cma and they told him he had to pay. Then he disappeared, every year dmum would get a letter asking if she knows where he is! Me and other dc got phone calls asking if we knew which just upset us when we was younger always near Christmas as if to remind us that hes a deadbeat. When the youngest dc turned 18 he magically reappeared. Wanted to be in our lives now his debt was wiped. Fucking asshole no doubt I told him where to go! So take some comfort in fact your dc may want nothing to do with him and see his true colours. Watching my dmum struggle on her own but still was able to give us a great childhood. We never missed out but she sacrificed so much for us. Parents who don't pay maintenance are scum.

I wish there was a way to know what companies these men set up so the rest of could avoid them.
I'm one of the rare people who do get maintenance but my ex has been employed in the same job for ever.

In parts of the US they actually garner wages, size assets, revoke driving licenses and send people to jail for non payment

These are all things that can be done here once the CMS obtains a liability order. These are all within their power. No idea how often they choose to do them, but a FOI request might tell you.

Wages can't be taken from someone who isn't on PAYE, though.

I can't stand them. My ex owns his own business but somehow manages to pay no tax at all. He claims UC so they only ever base his assessment on that, so I get £29 a month. I have provided them with so much evidence from social media of his business but they still do fuck all. He owed arrears of £4.5k, was taken to court in November by them yet because then decided to sign on, they won't go after him for his arrears. The system is a joke. Fortunately I'm on an Ok salary, but if I was on min.wage, id be stuffed. Not surprisingly he plays like he is mister wonder dad and the victim. They are q disgrace and not fit for purpose.

I'm so glad it worked out in your case. Does help when they have some assets. Deliberately avoiding men are smarter these days though. My ex doesn't own his home and anything of value will be in his girlfriends name (car etc). It's easier now - men can go online for tips and advice on how to avoid paying at all costs. Those determined enough will never pay

I think these fathers should be charged with child neglect. If the mother did the same as the father and stopped paying/providing a home, food, clothing warmth etc and also just fucked off, she'd be charged with neglect.

The system inherently believed that when a woman has a child she's responsible for him/her for minimum the next 18 years. The system does not view fathers the same.

The mother shouldn't have to bring a case either. A children's advocate should do it. A bit like in domestic violence cases where the case can proceed without the victim bringing it.

I have a rare success story.
EXH flatly refused to pay for years, arrears built up.
He ignored the letters, the calls and the bailiffs.
CSA had a possession order placed on his house, and literally at the last hour came to an agreement to pay the debt.
Our son is now 27, with his own home and business, and I get £250 each month.
Ironic thing is..... I don't even need it now, I did when I used to beg him to help with the cost of a winter coat, and he would laugh in my face.
The possession order was for well over 20k, and he didn't start paying it back until our child was at university.
I totally agree that the system is ridiculous, dreadfully unfair.

My father (not "D"F) took it to the next level.

He had a business here. He rarely paid any CM. He gave the business to his girlfriend's son. The girlfriend's son had the business now and had a verbal agreement with my father to pay my mother, instead of buying the business.

And what did he do? Bought a yacht. Went to travel the world with his girlfriend and their friends!!! Literally no fixed address and no way at all to contact him, unless they stayed at a harbour for a longer time.

And the son? He had to contact my mother and apologise because he couldn't pay anything: the business was in debt to HRMC because my father hadn't paid taxes for ages (can't remember how long, but ages).

In the end business was sold, HMRC was paid and the son went to live his life (good!).

Meanwhile we grew up in poverty, with a mother who was constantly stressed about money. My mother was hugely abusive which father knew about, partly why he left (and left two young kids alone with her..). And his family think I should have forgiven him by now, it's all in the past.

I have a friend whose ex moved overseas with an expatriate contract (home and travel paid, tax free etc). He's said as they're divorced he doesn't consider the kids his. He's literally living in luxury. She's using a food bank for her and their kids.

I am disgusted at the extent to which men can just give up their responsibilities.

I'm impressed we've made it to p3 without "whatabouttery" the evil RPs who prevent contact or the nrps partners posting about how their poor man can't afford the "unfair" payments. 100% agree with what everyone has written, especially the idea, that I've suggested before, that the state should pay a set minimum or the equivalent of what the nrp has been assessed for and then make it a debt the nrp owes to the state. Bet that won't get written off. It could be held against any future benefit (not illness or pip) and state pension.

The difference is they have capacity and resource in their economy to send non-payers to jail.

they will never do that in UK because it's fiscally and logistically impossible to send so many lying, feckless arses of fathers to prison. You'd need double the prisons and double the capacity to even scratch the surface. Ha, If only.