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Bizarre incident on train...

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Redqueenheart · 11/10/2022 18:34

I had a rather unpleasant experience on my way home today on the London tube and I wonder how other people would have reacted.

I was sitting in a tube carriage and looking at images and videos I had taken from an art exhibition I visited earlier. Was really tired and just wanted to mine my own business.

A man comes in and seats next to me, fidgeting and getting a bit too close for comfort. I ignore him.

He then asks me ''What is that?''. I realise he is now looking at my phone and expects me to tell him what the picture I am looking at is.

I snap back ''That is my phone and there is something called privacy''.

To my surprise two young women who were sitting on the other said of me get involved and say ''that was rude, he was only asking you a question''.

At that point I had enough and said something in the line of ''My pictures are private and none of your business'' and moved to a different seat on the other side of the train. Heard the girls snigger but there was no more interaction after that.

I really don't get why on earth the guy thought it was OK to barge into my space and then start staring at my phone and demand my attention and why these two women actually thought it appropriate to defend him...

Afterwards I did ask myself if this was an attempt to distract me while one them would try to get something from my bag but even as it stands I was absolutely furious about these people's behaviour.

I am quite curious to hear how other people would have reacted.

OP posts:
Redqueenheart · 11/10/2022 19:26

pass them the salt..

Do you really allow random men to just seat next to you close enough to touch you and then look at your phone? because I certainly don't

(sorry half of my previous message did not upload)

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Hubs456 · 11/10/2022 19:26

Sounds a bit rude. A bloke round the corner from us always does things like that. He’s got ld and also schizophrenia I think. People always say horrible things to him too but he’s just trying to be friendly in his own way.

Jacopo · 11/10/2022 19:25

People saying OP was rude have clearly never experienced the absolutely creepy and disgusting behaviour of some men on the London Underground. Better safe than sorry OP, and he had no right to look at your phone or ask you about what was on it.

HailAdrian · 11/10/2022 19:25

I had a colleague who would look at my phone and ask what I was doing all the time, REALLY fucking annoying.

Designhelp · 11/10/2022 19:25

Headphones are your friend when travelling alone on the tube but only during busy hours not when its empty.

Redqueenheart · 11/10/2022 19:24

''@JulietDorney
You were rude.

It's quite possible to give someone the message without being rude.

If you'd said' Just photos from an exhibition' that would have been fine.

Bloody London eh? Someone asks a question and the other person gets rude and huffy.

Would you have reacted the same way in a cafe if someone had sat at your table and spoken to you?''

This is not about ''someone asking me a question'' though is it?

It is about a man making unwanted contact with a woman, first by physically invading her space which made me very uncomfortable and following that up with further unwanted behaviour.

Hardly someone stopping to ask for direction or whether I could

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Nellynoo182 · 11/10/2022 19:24

Have to agree with the northern comments here! Upon reading this I didn’t find it strange or odd, if anything I would probably have turned my phone to them and showed them more photos of the exhibition and chatted to them about it if somebody showed an interest and I think that wouldn’t be viewed as strange up north at all.

BUT I would say that it is contextual, and if I got creepy vibes from a man and felt unsafe you’re not unreasonable to shut him down at all.

FKATondelayo · 11/10/2022 19:24

Love all these PPs who, when being pestered while distracted by a strange man on a packed tube, would politely decline with an articulate yet businesslike response.

Sure you would.

Romeoalpha · 11/10/2022 19:23

Well sorry but I think you sound paranoid and I think you were rude.

In your situation I would have answered his question. If I didn’t want to chat I would have followed up with “I’m not in the mood for chatting though sorry, hope you’re not offended, it’s not personal.”

At that point, if he didn’t respect my wishes I would move.

trampoline123 · 11/10/2022 19:22

You did nothing wrong. So annoying when people want to chat and you just want to be in your zone.

catandcoffee · 11/10/2022 19:22

You done the right thing. What a bloody cheek he had.

JulietDorney · 11/10/2022 19:21

Men are never rude when they don’t respect womens boundaries

Oh FGS

I'm all for 'boundaries' (MN fave word) but some people need to take their heads out of their bums.

It's a tube journey. Give a short answer, ignore, move to another carriage if they become too chatty and a pest.

Worthyornot · 11/10/2022 19:20

Mamamia7962 · 11/10/2022 19:07

You can be assertive without being rude and you were definitely rude.

Exactly. Pretty damn rude. There's a difference. You definitely sounded worse.

JulietDorney · 11/10/2022 19:19

I’m Northern and it’s considered “normal” to strike up a conversation and be friendly to complete strangers, especially on public transport.

^^ This.

I'm northern and have heard people's entire life stories while waiting for a bus or on a train journey.

The other person might be incredibly lonely and the only conversation they get all day.

Is it really too awful to humour them for a while, without making it look as if you are rejecting a perceived sexual advance?

Flubber88 · 11/10/2022 19:19

You need to lighten up.

Ahsoka2001 · 11/10/2022 19:18

To those saying OP was more in the wrong for rudeness - if the man in this story was making a Mumsnet thread "AIBU to have looked at a stranger's phone on the tube?" would you really be replying "YANBU, that woman sounds like the rude one." ??

NotJustAnybody · 11/10/2022 19:18

Public transport isn't private, especially when you sit so closely to other people.
I think you were very rude in your response. You could have just said 'oh just an art exhibition', closed your phone down, moved seats at the next stop. If he'd continued, then a sterner response may have been warranted.

FKATondelayo · 11/10/2022 19:17

YANBU. As PP has said politeness is just a red flag to a bull. I've spent so many hours 'courteously' trying to get rid of men on public transport. They are thick skinned. These kind of intrusive men don't take no for an answer.

Redqueenheart · 11/10/2022 19:17

''@confused162
I do think you have a point about your Pictures being private. But I wouldn't speak to anyone like that it sounds rude and uncalled for.''

I actually find this type of comment hard to understand.

Why should I need to provide a man, who has already made me feel uncomfortable by invading my space beyond what is normal when you seat next to someone on a train , with any kind of further attention? or worry about his feelings?

Creepy men are not owed any attention from women as far as I am concerned....

@Benjispruce4
''Ok to say ‘It’s private’ but ‘there’s such a thing as privacy’ is horrible.''

Because you think a random man invading my space and demanding my attention is not ''horrible''? It is to me...

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Scautish · 11/10/2022 19:17

From a manners perspective it was just plain rude and uncalled for

Yes - it was incredibly rude of the man to look at someone else’s phone.

where were HIS manners? Or is it just us women that must make sure we are poised and biddable at all times?

Hindsightin · 11/10/2022 19:16

Men are never rude when they don’t respect womens boundaries

Women are always rude when they tell men to respect their boundaries

I would bet an enormous sum of money he has never asked about the pictures of six foot male rugby player

but this thread shows how much some women don’t understand what they’re been told is being polite is actually it is your job to accommodate and entertain other people (mostly men)

JulietDorney · 11/10/2022 19:16

You were rude.

It's quite possible to give someone the message without being rude.

If you'd said' Just photos from an exhibition' that would have been fine.

Bloody London eh? Someone asks a question and the other person gets rude and huffy.

Would you have reacted the same way in a cafe if someone had sat at your table and spoken to you?

FlissyPaps · 11/10/2022 19:15

If I’m being 100% honest. I’d have probably ignored him and made it look like I didn’t/couldn’t hear him.

I’m Northern and it’s considered “normal” to strike up a conversation and be friendly to complete strangers, especially on public transport. I don’t like it. I’m an introvert. I hate small talk, it’s just too awkward. You also run the risk of being nice to a random man and it giving them the sense that it’s an open invitation to sexual harassment.

Hardbackwriter · 11/10/2022 19:14

The problem with all the 'polite' responses suggested is that they open the door to further conversation: 'where was the exhibition?' 'what was it about?' etc. It's really easy to get increasingly sucked into a conversation that makes you feel uncomfortable. I might have just completely ignored him, but that's not any politer. What he did was rude - yes, we can all see each other's screens on the tube but it's rude to comment - and you didn't owe him a conversation.

Tlittle · 11/10/2022 19:13

This reminded me of when I opened a text from my fiance on the bus thinking nothing of it and he had sent me a full posed nude lol

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