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Bizarre incident on train...

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Redqueenheart · 11/10/2022 18:34

I had a rather unpleasant experience on my way home today on the London tube and I wonder how other people would have reacted.

I was sitting in a tube carriage and looking at images and videos I had taken from an art exhibition I visited earlier. Was really tired and just wanted to mine my own business.

A man comes in and seats next to me, fidgeting and getting a bit too close for comfort. I ignore him.

He then asks me ''What is that?''. I realise he is now looking at my phone and expects me to tell him what the picture I am looking at is.

I snap back ''That is my phone and there is something called privacy''.

To my surprise two young women who were sitting on the other said of me get involved and say ''that was rude, he was only asking you a question''.

At that point I had enough and said something in the line of ''My pictures are private and none of your business'' and moved to a different seat on the other side of the train. Heard the girls snigger but there was no more interaction after that.

I really don't get why on earth the guy thought it was OK to barge into my space and then start staring at my phone and demand my attention and why these two women actually thought it appropriate to defend him...

Afterwards I did ask myself if this was an attempt to distract me while one them would try to get something from my bag but even as it stands I was absolutely furious about these people's behaviour.

I am quite curious to hear how other people would have reacted.

OP posts:
ChillysWaterBottle · 11/10/2022 20:32

CrabbitBastard · 11/10/2022 19:58

No need to be rude. He was probably just being friendly.

Being nosy and rude is not friendly behaviour. He was the rude one.

LastnightIdreamtofsomebagels · 11/10/2022 20:32

StressedToTheMaxxx · 11/10/2022 20:27

Just out of curiosity OP, and I'm not saying you were right or wrong, as I'm undecided. But in all of your replies, you keep saying a man this and a man that ie why should I be polite to a random man, why should I allow a man to invade my space etc. What if it was a woman who had done the same thing, would you have felt and reacted the same way?

A woman is statistically far less likely to become aggressive and assault her.

Angelik · 11/10/2022 20:31

I can't get over the number of posters saying OP should've closed phone and moved! Why the fuck should she when he invaded her space and privacy? It also gives him the power kick he is seeking. As for the other women's comment about it being rude. I'm seeing this more and more from younger women towards older women (maybe cos I am getting old), often with word "karen" associated with it. Age discrimination.

whynotwhatknot · 11/10/2022 20:30

i wouldnt have liked it either no need to get that close and look at someones phone

LastnightIdreamtofsomebagels · 11/10/2022 20:29

TimeforZeroes · 11/10/2022 18:40

The only encounters like this that I regret are the ones where I’ve engaged and been friendly despite feeling totally uncomfortable. You did nothing wrong.

This.

Zone2NorthLondon · 11/10/2022 20:29

Why did he not chose to sit adjacent to another man, spread out to the chap in next seat
he chose a woman because he could, because he correctly predicted he’d get away with it.
He chose a woman because he’s a man imposing himself and using male privilege to dominate

MyDefaultName · 11/10/2022 20:29

@Zone2NorthLondon is that directed at me? as my sanctimonious comment was directed at the crabbit one.

CoopsMalloops · 11/10/2022 20:28

You did nothing wrong.

StressedToTheMaxxx · 11/10/2022 20:27

Just out of curiosity OP, and I'm not saying you were right or wrong, as I'm undecided. But in all of your replies, you keep saying a man this and a man that ie why should I be polite to a random man, why should I allow a man to invade my space etc. What if it was a woman who had done the same thing, would you have felt and reacted the same way?

ChillysWaterBottle · 11/10/2022 20:26

Gribbit987 · 11/10/2022 19:13

I’m a Londoner too. I would have done the above.

Instead you inflamed the situation which is the most dangerous thing to do with someone who you don’t know. So from a safety perspective it was unwise.

From a manners perspective it was just plain rude and uncalled for.

What he said was utterly innocuous and reasonable. Your reaction was hostile and disproportionate.

What he said was not reasonable. Looking at a stranger's phone over their shoulder and asking them about it is not normal, reasonable, polite behaviour.

Other than the potential safety aspect, OP your response was perfect. Please ignore the weirdos who think the man's behaviour was fine.

MongoOnlyPawnInGameOfLife · 11/10/2022 20:26

Redqueenheart · 11/10/2022 19:56

I find it odd that so many women (I assume it is mainly women commenting) seem to miss a very important part of this: the man did not just seat himself down next to me like a regular passenger would, he was getting way too close with a bad case of manspreading. This man was already creeping me out because of this before he even started peering at my phone.

I have used the tube for 20 years so I know when something is not right...

It is quite amazing as to how many people seem more concerned about whether I was being polite enough to a creep or not than supporting someone who call them out on their dodgy behaviour.

Well excuse me for not being a doormat...

No-one else commenting was there and I think many are ignoring the fact that he had already made you uncomfortable when he could have avoided it (not have sat so close or obviously fidgeted) before he even spoke to you. Given that I’d say a sharp response wasn’t unwarranted (though potentially a little risky as others have already pointed out).

Readaboutyourself · 11/10/2022 20:26

Oblomov22 · 11/10/2022 20:09

Like Benji, I would've just said 'I was at exhibition today'. What you said was very rude. Only if he kept asking questions would I have said something about wanting to concentrate.

Do you think him getting to touching distance is rude?

Women do not have to put up with this shit.

AssignedSlytherinAtBirth · 11/10/2022 20:26

There is a world of difference between what the OP has described and, for example, sitting on a park bench and striking up a conversation with someone which then leads to "What's that picture?"
I've been in the OP's kind of situation and have told men directly that I wasn't interested in talking to them, and have then ignored them (when they gave up and moved on to someone else).

SophieIsHereToday · 11/10/2022 20:24

Were the women from London? They might not be as alert for safety in a big city. Often people think Londoners are rude. But when people move to London they become street wise/rude eventually. You probably wouldn't have said that on a local village bus

Readaboutyourself · 11/10/2022 20:24

Redqueenheart · 11/10/2022 19:56

I find it odd that so many women (I assume it is mainly women commenting) seem to miss a very important part of this: the man did not just seat himself down next to me like a regular passenger would, he was getting way too close with a bad case of manspreading. This man was already creeping me out because of this before he even started peering at my phone.

I have used the tube for 20 years so I know when something is not right...

It is quite amazing as to how many people seem more concerned about whether I was being polite enough to a creep or not than supporting someone who call them out on their dodgy behaviour.

Well excuse me for not being a doormat...

Good on ya! I know I would have tried to be polite and regretted it. Too often these men just don’t let up.

Time’s up on these pests.

thelionthewitchtheaudacityofTHISbitch · 11/10/2022 20:23

Good for you for not being a doormat on a LONDON tube. You weren't rude. He was bang out of order and odd. I can only assume that the people who have questioned your behaviour are either very young & inexperienced OR have no idea about London commuting.

ancientgran · 11/10/2022 20:21

MinnyMous · 11/10/2022 18:48

It was an opening gambit and unwanted attention. If OP hadn't been looking at pictures it would have been something else.

So many psychics on MN.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 11/10/2022 20:21

He was rude, but I've got to say that I think you were unwise to react as you did, from a safety point of view. Men who don't respect women's boundaries can react aggressively when challenged. I would have said something non-committal, then moved. It's shit that women have to make these compromises, but personally I would not take the risk of being assaulted by some twat who thinks I owe him a conversation.

Zone2NorthLondon · 11/10/2022 20:20

@DontSuitAJumpsuit dont make false comparisons
a woman in her 70s is not the same as manspreading man imposing himself
you simply can’t conflate the two

TowerRaven7 · 11/10/2022 20:20

Yanbu at all!

DontSuitAJumpsuit · 11/10/2022 20:19

I'm going to London with my mum next week. She would have a full blown conversation with literally anyone about anything and I'm not sure she'd really get that something someone was looking at on their phone a few inches from them Must Not Be Mentioned. Would you speak to a woman in her 70s in the same way if she commented on your phone photos? Just so I can prep her only to speak to me.

Chocolatetrifle · 11/10/2022 20:18

Oh and to add to the above, I had a man follow me to work from the train once, so yes, don't talk to anyone you don't want to, you have no idea what they are thinking.

Zone2NorthLondon · 11/10/2022 20:18

Shite it’s a good word, happy to see it used in post. Kind of onomatopoeic
sanctimonious to tell you I trained in Scotland, worked on Scotland and get Scotland
oh and aye, ma ma is Irish and ma da is Scottish

Hollyhead · 11/10/2022 20:17

It depends, if it was a NT person I’d say fine,but something similar happened to me once with someone who had clear learning disabilities, they ruined my only hour to myself that day talking and commenting but I didn’t have the heart to stop them.

Chocolatetrifle · 11/10/2022 20:15

Agree with you @Redqueenheart, commuted by train for over 10 years, not London but a Northern city. Agree you can get some odd characters. You are under no obligation whatsoever to enter into conversation with this man at all. No one should ever be made to feel uncomfortable or obliged to enter into dialogue when thru don't want to with a stranger. It's not being rude, passive aggressive or unkind, you are being safe

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