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Bizarre incident on train...

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Redqueenheart · 11/10/2022 18:34

I had a rather unpleasant experience on my way home today on the London tube and I wonder how other people would have reacted.

I was sitting in a tube carriage and looking at images and videos I had taken from an art exhibition I visited earlier. Was really tired and just wanted to mine my own business.

A man comes in and seats next to me, fidgeting and getting a bit too close for comfort. I ignore him.

He then asks me ''What is that?''. I realise he is now looking at my phone and expects me to tell him what the picture I am looking at is.

I snap back ''That is my phone and there is something called privacy''.

To my surprise two young women who were sitting on the other said of me get involved and say ''that was rude, he was only asking you a question''.

At that point I had enough and said something in the line of ''My pictures are private and none of your business'' and moved to a different seat on the other side of the train. Heard the girls snigger but there was no more interaction after that.

I really don't get why on earth the guy thought it was OK to barge into my space and then start staring at my phone and demand my attention and why these two women actually thought it appropriate to defend him...

Afterwards I did ask myself if this was an attempt to distract me while one them would try to get something from my bag but even as it stands I was absolutely furious about these people's behaviour.

I am quite curious to hear how other people would have reacted.

OP posts:
Strawberrypicnic · 11/10/2022 22:41

Personally I would have felt awkward being that blunt (don't know if that's necessarily a good thing) but I think the point is fair. It would be totally inappropriate to look over someone's shoulder at a WhatsApp conversation and ask what that was about. I don't think this is any different.

Annoyingkidsmusic · 11/10/2022 22:40

You were unnecessarily rude. There is a way of saying things.

elephantseal · 11/10/2022 22:40

Ellatella · 11/10/2022 22:19

I would have just smiled and answered his question.

Well, bully for you. Have you been raised to be a good girl and to be kind to men?

Zone2NorthLondon · 11/10/2022 22:38

tectonicplates · 11/10/2022 22:36

Why should anyone speak kindly to a creepy man?

So as not to be rude one must not be seen to be rude.irrespective of the provocation or event

tectonicplates · 11/10/2022 22:36

Why should anyone speak kindly to a creepy man?

keeprunning55 · 11/10/2022 22:30

I like to think that I would have spoken in a kinder way.

Redqueenheart · 11/10/2022 22:28

''@UserNameNameNameUser
I suspect the man and the two women were working together. Am I right in thinking the two women were sat on one side of you, then he came and sat on the other side, getting too close and starting to act weird, and then the two women started acting off too? So you were sandwiched between them?

it’s a pretty classic trick to disorient someone by making them feel vulnerable on both flanks.Have you checked you’ve still got all your valuables.''

This! absolutely this.

I had that feeling as well that something was just off form the start. I was indeed sandwiched between the two women who sat next to me first and then the guy sat down next to me in a way that just felt ''off'' from the start and that's why I described this as a ''bizarre incident''.

I think there are a lot of people in this thread commenting who are not used to what living in a city like London is like and are just focusing on the ''rudeness' and are just assuming the guy meant no harm. I don't.

You just develop that sixth sense that someone or something is not right when you spend a lot of time in a big place like London and you come across a fair number of real creeps.

The guy put me on edge the minute I felt him next to me and I just was not having it.

The first thing I did was to check that everything was still in my bag when I sat further away from them and everything was still there.

Interesting that this generated so much debate though.

OP posts:
Vecna · 11/10/2022 22:27

SnackSizeRaisin · 11/10/2022 22:14

Hmm. More likely they were trying to rob the OP. Why would unrelated girls need to stick.up for a creepy man hitting on a lone woman?

I'm only guessing based on the information available. Seems more like the girls felt OP's reaction was harsh and felt sorry for the man. But who knows

ilovesushi · 11/10/2022 22:25

Your reaction was perfect.

But since when did people on the tube start talking to each other? I remember studied silence when I lived and worked in London.

tectonicplates · 11/10/2022 22:22

I reckon those two women weren't local. Real Londoners would've recognised his behaviour as inappropriate.

To everyone saying the OP was being rude: men who make women feel uncomfortable do not have the right to be responded to with politeness. Women are not obliged to be polite and chatty just to make the world a better place for men.

To everyone who wonders why Londoners are "rude" - it's because of the long-term effects of constant harassment over a long period of time. Harassment isn't just about individual incidents - it's about the way it's ingrained into society and about us having to deal with yet another creepy man, again. Living in a big city inevitably means you'll see anti-social behaviour, and we have to be alert in dealing with it. People living in pretty Cotswold villages shouldn't be telling women in big cities how to deal with harassment.

Ellatella · 11/10/2022 22:19

I would have just smiled and answered his question.

Veryxonfused · 11/10/2022 22:15

I’m glad you called him out in his behaviour, if he did have bad intentions then he deserved it. If he didn’t then perhaps he’ll think twice before doing this again and creeping someone else out who may be too scared to say anything.

SnackSizeRaisin · 11/10/2022 22:14

Vecna · 11/10/2022 22:10

The man was rude and out of order, no question. But I think the reaction from the girls is potentially telling. Perhaps the man was unintentionally rude. Perhaps you responded in a purposefully unpleasant manner to someone who was trying to be friendly.

Hmm. More likely they were trying to rob the OP. Why would unrelated girls need to stick.up for a creepy man hitting on a lone woman?

TowerblocksAndSunflowers · 11/10/2022 22:11

He was a bit rude, but perhaps so were you.
Hard to judge without witnessing it.

if you're ever uncomfortable on the tube, it's easy enough to say "I'm getting off here, goodbye" and then wait a couple of minutes for the next train (or even just get off and back onto another carriage).

SnackSizeRaisin · 11/10/2022 22:11

DontSuitAJumpsuit · 11/10/2022 20:19

I'm going to London with my mum next week. She would have a full blown conversation with literally anyone about anything and I'm not sure she'd really get that something someone was looking at on their phone a few inches from them Must Not Be Mentioned. Would you speak to a woman in her 70s in the same way if she commented on your phone photos? Just so I can prep her only to speak to me.

I think you are being ageist there and pretty rude about your mum to portray her as an ill mannered, clueless old person who would peer into and ask questions about someone's private business.

A conversation is not the same thing as what the OP describes.

Vecna · 11/10/2022 22:10

The man was rude and out of order, no question. But I think the reaction from the girls is potentially telling. Perhaps the man was unintentionally rude. Perhaps you responded in a purposefully unpleasant manner to someone who was trying to be friendly.

Tummytroubles22 · 11/10/2022 22:06

This thread is depressing. I hope I am raising my DD to be like you OP and not to sit in uncomfortable situations incase she upsets a man.

Men are asking how they can make woman feel more safe. Don’t be creepy weirdos encroaching on our personal space for a start.

Scautish · 11/10/2022 22:06

All those shrieking “how rude”, presumably those of you with male partners would not be phased at all if they behaved towards random lone women in the same way?

or if you have daughters and they came home and said they had been approached in this way. Would you be teaching them to #BePolite? Or would you think “thank fuck my daughter is able to draw firm boundaries with potentially predatory men”?

Sheenqueen · 11/10/2022 22:06

What if a woman did this? Would you have behaved the same?

It is something I would have done but I come from a place where, regardless of gender, having chit chat with strangers is normal and seen as part of life.

SnackSizeRaisin · 11/10/2022 22:02

NumberTheory · 11/10/2022 21:59

Even if he hadn’t already encroached on OP physically, looking over a stranger’s shoulder and asking them about the photos on their phone isn’t reasonable. It’s rude and irritating.

Exactly. Nothing wrong with op giving a rude response to rude behaviour. If the man didn't realise he was rude he has hopefully learned from the encounter. If he did he deserved it.

SnackSizeRaisin · 11/10/2022 22:00

It's extremely rude and intrusive to comment on a stranger's reading material.. it might be less threatening were it an old lady but it would be equally rude and annoying. Can't believe so many people think it's acceptable!

badbaduncle · 11/10/2022 21:59

OP the weird comments are a sign of deeply our society believes women should stfu and serve men at all times. Or they are rude, unpleasant and scorn-worthy. You were absolutely right to do what you did.
DD(17) is very anxious and 2 men approx 25-30 sat behind her on the bus today, discussing the disgusting sexual things they wanted to do to her. I wish she had your courage, but she sat there crying until they got off. Women need to teach men to not give ANY attention where it is not wanted.

NumberTheory · 11/10/2022 21:59

GCAcademic · 11/10/2022 21:46

What he said was utterly innocuous and reasonable. Your reaction was hostile and disproportionate.

What he said would only have been innocuous and reasonable had it not been preceded by behaviour which made the OP uncomfortable.

Even if he hadn’t already encroached on OP physically, looking over a stranger’s shoulder and asking them about the photos on their phone isn’t reasonable. It’s rude and irritating.

SnackSizeRaisin · 11/10/2022 21:55

JulietDorney · 11/10/2022 19:19

I’m Northern and it’s considered “normal” to strike up a conversation and be friendly to complete strangers, especially on public transport.

^^ This.

I'm northern and have heard people's entire life stories while waiting for a bus or on a train journey.

The other person might be incredibly lonely and the only conversation they get all day.

Is it really too awful to humour them for a while, without making it look as if you are rejecting a perceived sexual advance?

I'm northern too. If you start leaning into someone and peering at their phone you can expect short shrift up here. Making conversation is one thing. Being rude and creepy is another.

I think I (and presumably most other adult women) can pretty easily tell the difference between someone chatting to be friendly and someone being inappropriate or trying to intimidate. It's better to be like the op and nip it in the bud early on than to tolerate it until it escalates.

Boshi · 11/10/2022 21:54

What’s this born and raised in London business by previous posters? So was I but I think you were fine to be a bit snippy OP - he was rude, even if he noticed what was on your phone it wasn’t his place to start making conversation over your private pics. And if you’d responded nicely or neutrally he would have continued in that vein.