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To be finished with voting Tory

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Viviennemary · 03/04/2022 16:47

I've voted Tory in the last couple of elections. Didn't like Corbyn and thought Keir Stammer was a bit feeble. But after that smug performance by Sunak I am totally not going to vote Tory for a very long time. We are now in a position not to be affected too much by recent rises. Not always been that way of course. I wonder if others are feeling the same. But the lack of any sort of help for less well off people makes me absolutely sick. And all decided by a multi millionaire.

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Butteryflakycrust83 · 04/04/2022 16:19

Its not my job to win you over if you cannot even be bothered to look up the alternative main party whose information is freely available online.

ComtesseDeSpair · 04/04/2022 16:16

[quote Butteryflakycrust83]Google is free

labour.org.uk/policy-guide-2019/policy-guide-at-a-glance/[/quote]
That’s not a very effective method of self promotion, is it? I can’t imagine I’d get many job interviews if my recruitment position was “my CV’s on the internet somewhere, go find it.”

Whohashiddenthebiscuits · 04/04/2022 16:08

Flummoxed every election at people voting for them.
So no.

EthelTheAardvark · 04/04/2022 16:07

This demonstrates the reality of just how much the Conservatives care about women -
www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-60941950

Butteryflakycrust83 · 04/04/2022 16:00

Google is free

labour.org.uk/policy-guide-2019/policy-guide-at-a-glance/

QuirkyTurtle · 04/04/2022 16:00

Even if you really believe that some people won’t vote Labour because they “hate” trans people, surely you have to acknowledge that Labour’s position on the issue is untenable for many other groups? The UK has a sizeable BAME population and whilst ethnic minority communities have tended, broadly, to historically vote Labour more often than Tory, the Labour party continues to assume that they’ll always have the majority of the BAME vote blindly; but seem not to realise that many BAME communities are more socially conservative and more religious and woke Labour policies are in direct conflict with their culture and beliefs. They don’t want their elderly mother being called a bigot because she objects to a trans woman carer; women for whom sharing intimate space with an unrelated male is against their religious beliefs don’t want to share a hospital ward with a man who says he feels like a woman; boys identifiying as girls and thinking they have the right to use female toilets and changing rooms is not going to go down well amongst parents in a school where most girls wear a hijab.

That's a good point and I hadn't considered that. To be honest I'm talking out of my arse mostly because I'm an immigrant with no voting rights so I don't follow it closely enough.

But can't say I feel sorry for Tory voters who complain about not being able to live while simultaneously shooting themselves in the foot.

ComtesseDeSpair · 04/04/2022 15:43

@QuirkyTurtle

Imagine hating trans people so much that you're ready to ruin your own life over it.
Even if you really believe that some people won’t vote Labour because they “hate” trans people, surely you have to acknowledge that Labour’s position on the issue is untenable for many other groups? The UK has a sizeable BAME population and whilst ethnic minority communities have tended, broadly, to historically vote Labour more often than Tory, the Labour party continues to assume that they’ll always have the majority of the BAME vote blindly; but seem not to realise that many BAME communities are more socially conservative and more religious and woke Labour policies are in direct conflict with their culture and beliefs. They don’t want their elderly mother being called a bigot because she objects to a trans woman carer; women for whom sharing intimate space with an unrelated male is against their religious beliefs don’t want to share a hospital ward with a man who says he feels like a woman; boys identifiying as girls and thinking they have the right to use female toilets and changing rooms is not going to go down well amongst parents in a school where most girls wear a hijab.
ComtesseDeSpair · 04/04/2022 15:33

@Abhannmor

I expect they'll get a kicking in May. But people will go back to them in the General Election , like a dog returning to its vomit.
If people return to vote Tory it’ll be largely because they don’t know what the alternative is. I’m reasonably politically engaged and I genuinely couldn’t tell you what Labour’s policies for housing, the economy, the cost of living crisis, education, law enforcement etc are. And if I don’t know, then the millions of people who won’t or can’t read white papers and manifestos certainly don’t know. How are they supposed to know whether Labour would be a better government or not? Labour are asleep at the wheel, why aren’t they taking this opportunity to be more vocal about how they intend to solve key issues? Why aren’t party members holding them to account in it? I really am baffled by it.
Fairislefandango · 04/04/2022 15:21

Imagine hating trans people so much that you're ready to ruin your own life over it.

Imagine being so logically challenged that you can’t comprehend that stating the fact people can't change sex, and wanting to safeguard women's spaces, does not mean that you 'hate' people who wish to present as members of the opposite sex.

Imagine thinking it's unreasonable not to want to elect politicians who pretend (you can't possibly believe people like Keir Starmer is incapable of identifying a woman) that they don't know what a woman is in order to placate a small, vocal minority, even though women make up 51% of the population.

Abhannmor · 04/04/2022 15:14

I expect they'll get a kicking in May. But people will go back to them in the General Election , like a dog returning to its vomit.

PancakePenelope · 04/04/2022 15:06

@ilovesooty
gosh thank you - I was expecting to be torn down for being naïve for so long. I suppose that could still happen, this is MN after all.
I have been very honest about my vote with everyone I know, most of whom are Liberal or Green voters. I don't think that there should be any stigma attached to someone admitting that they are wrong and trying to improve.
I feel gutted that I had such faith and in the Conservatives for so long.

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Viviennemary · 04/04/2022 14:52

They haven't got their fingers in my pocket. And partygate was the beginning of my distrust of them. But this failure to be concerned with the effects of the cost of living rises is not acceptable. I'm finished with them. I hope they get a roasting in the May elections.

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longwayoff · 04/04/2022 14:37

What took you so long to notice OP? The Tories are what they've always been, doing what they've always done. Are you complaining now because it's finally your own pocket they've got their sticky fingers in? Join the club, it's got a lot of members.

DrSbaitso · 04/04/2022 14:21

Sure, which is why I wasn't the one who started talking about trans people.

No, someone else did. But people aren't bringing it up because it's a relevant issue to voters. And your response, attempting to shut down anyone's concerns as "morally repugnant" and stupid was also because of what a non-issue this is.

Anyway, I did mean it when I said sorry to Sooty earlier, so I'll leave it there.

ilovesooty · 04/04/2022 14:21

I think the cost of living and financial concerns primarily drive most people's votes. Also social concerns, education and law and order.

Awalkintime · 04/04/2022 14:12

@Vanderpump

There is no such thing as cis women we are women
If we need a prefix, I think real works better for me than cis.
TeaKlaxon · 04/04/2022 14:09

@DrSbaitso

Well, if it's not an issue that affects their votes, they can do what they like and you don't have to tell Mumsnet users what to do about it. It's completely insignificant and irrelevant to the discourse.
Sure, which is why I wasn't the one who started talking about trans people.

There is a small cohort who think their hobby horse is the main driver for lots of voters. It simply isn't.

The vast majority of people will vote based on cost of living, economic opportunities, housing, healthcare etc.

DrSbaitso · 04/04/2022 14:07

For a lot of issues, it's less about them being vote winners and more about them being vote losers.

ddl1 · 04/04/2022 14:05

@DrSbaitso

What I'm saying, in a nutshell, is that Labour could win back a lot of female voters if it declared that a woman is an adult human female, and will protect single sex spaces, provisions, rights and so on on that basis.

Do you think that would be a reasonable position to take, if it meant winning enough votes to overthrow this current bunch of vampires and vultures?

I don't think most women vote on that basis, or that this issue would win back many female voters.

In my observation the things that put off potential Labour voters are (1) a perception that Labour aren't sufficiently interested in ordinary people's 'bread and butter' issues; (2) a perception that Labour are economically incompetent and caused the 2008 banking crisis by their overspending (even though it was a global crisis); (3) immigration - unfortunately there are lots of older people especially, who are fairly left-leaning economically, but strongly anti-immigrant; and (4) the idea that Boris is a 'character', Corbyn undesirable and Starmer boring,

SarahProblem · 04/04/2022 14:03

They were awful when you voted for them the last two times OP.

The narrative about 'Corbyn would have been worse' is getting so old, to the point that actually I don't think he would have been.

I just can't be a single issue voter so whilst I'm worried about the interplay for sex-based rights and trans rights that won't be the decider for me. Tories do more harm to women and families with their austerity and populism politics that labour do by being ambiguous on the trans issue.

Wafflesnsniffles · 04/04/2022 14:02

Why vote Tory at all?
Not liking Jeremy Corbyn isnt a reason to favour the Tories or think they are worthy of your vote in any way at all.
Hopelessly naive to suddenly be realising voting Tory isnt a good idea.

DrSbaitso · 04/04/2022 13:55

Well, if it's not an issue that affects their votes, they can do what they like and you don't have to tell Mumsnet users what to do about it. It's completely insignificant and irrelevant to the discourse.

HobgoblinGold · 04/04/2022 13:54

Regardless of leader the focus was always wrong with tories. Now the middle classes who voted Tory are no longer being helped by the tories you finally see. Tories are and always have been scum. Honestly, Shame on everyone who voted for them.

TeaKlaxon · 04/04/2022 13:51

There is simply no evidence that Labour would be in a significantly better position if they were adopting an approach that would (putting it politely, find favour with gender crits).

They are polling on average around 39%.

That is considerably better than their vote shares in general elections in 2019, 2015, 2010 and 2005. It is only slightly behind their vote share in 2017 and 2001. And only 4% behind their absolute stonking landslide in 1997.

The point being that Labour's polling numbers are hovering around the vote share they normally get when they're doing pretty well, and only a couple of points behind where they have been when winning a massive majority.

There is no evidence that their polling would improve significantly if they adopted a more gender critical approach (as well as being the morally repugnant course of action).

Nanny0gg · 04/04/2022 13:44

@ilovesooty

Thank you *@DrSbaitso*

That's a polite response and I see your point. I just think it's a shame that every thread on voting intentions goes this way.

It's going to be a hard choice when looking at issues though, isn't it?

Which ones do you abandon?