To be finished with voting Tory

OP got sucked in to believe the real enemy was culture war bullshit like ‘cancel culture’ which is only a thing on Twitter when all along the Tories and their donors were picking her and her children’s pockets.

Hmm what’s more outrageous? A footballer bending their knee or not being able to pay your Leccy bill or eat and it being made a criminal offence to protest about it? No sympathy. You said you knew what you were voting for.

Bet Daily Mail are gutted Harry and Megan fucked off to America. Tories have run out of diversions now Covid’s lower level news and Putin hasn’t launched a nuclear attack.

I definitely don't agree with the Labour stance on women.

However, I also care massively about education. At the moment, all I hear is Boris saying how 'they' kept schools running through lockdowns, and the release of the white paper yesterday saying that 90% instead of 50% of children will be expected to reach 'expected level of achievement.'

It sounds good, but we are yet to have a single week with all staff members in. The funding for the IT promised never arrived. The air filter thing arrived on the same day that restrictions were lifted (this to a classroom in the centre of the school with no exterior windows - we have two classrooms like this and only one filter.) I worked in the school in lockdown but was also part of the weekly rota driving around the area checking on children we had concerns about (delivering work in paper form if they couldn't access the internet, delivering other bits the family might need, just checking in with any vulnervable pupils). I am a TA buying things out of my own pocket for the children when we don't have enough left in the budget to buy it.
The aim 40% increase in achievement rate comes after COVID - a third of my class were ill with it last week so not only are we not catching them up, we are still having issues with missing chunks of learning. It is not matched by any significant increase in funding. Do twice as well, with a few pennies of extra money.
Even with any increase in budget they plan to give to schools, this will not put us back at the funding level of 2010, and it's been Tories all the way since then.

Meanwhile, although they want the rise in standards in English and Maths, OFSTED are looking to ensure that we don't focus too much on English and Maths as they want us to cover so much more, as there were concerns raised about the curriculum narrowing to get kids through the required tests.

OFSTED are also looking to ensure that every word in every reading book is decodeable so we've had to shelve (not bin!) loads of our reading books which contained the odd word deemed unsuitable. But the test I had to do with the Year 1 children today, reading comprehension, contained some words that are not phonetically decodable. So when are we teaching them these words, as we had to take out the reading books which contained them following advice from our last 'pre-OFSTED health check.'

While the Tories prance around, announcing all the wonderful things that they are doing in schools while ignoring the reality of buildings falling apart, not enough funding for classroom equipment never mind staff, and massively ignoring what children actually need, I will never, ever vote Tory.

Unless what they mean is that they are coming into school in person to help us ensure that the child who attacks others and has already been excluded multiple times because of it, actually has the 1-2-1 he needs by providing the extra bodies on the ground, and also hearing children read to ensure that they get the practice they need to catch up. If that is what Boris means by what he is doing to support schools, then I will apologise to him and await the MP who will turn up and actually give us the help we need to keep the kids safe and ensure they get the best education we can offer.

Saying that voting is a moral choice is incredibly simplistic and actually not correct, really, given the entirely subjective nature of morality.

Of course it's a moral choice! When you choose who to vote for you are making moral choices, whether you acknowledge it or not. It's almost the exemplar of a moral decision.

What's slightly telling is that the next bit of your post is rather defensive, and seems to be based on a presumption that if you did accept that politics is applied morality then Tory voters would not come out of it well. That certainly didn't come from my post

I'm trying to establish if you would make the same compromise/sacrifice you're berating other people for not making. It seems not. And that's entirely your choice. But surely if it's a sticking point for you, you can see why it's a sticking point for others?

Apparently not.

You voted for this. People like you said you knew what you were voting for. You also didn’t give a shit when you thought the negative impacts would only fall on others but now your gas bill has shot up, now you give a shit. Too late. See you in the food bank queue by the end of the year.

What I'm saying, in a nutshell, is that Labour could win back a lot of female voters if it declared that a woman is an adult human female, and will protect single sex spaces, provisions, rights and so on on that basis.

Do you think that would be a reasonable position to take, if it meant winning enough votes to overthrow this current bunch of vampires and vultures?

Excellent question. Come on, surely the greater good is more important than divisive identity politics?

The focus is entirely by media (and transphobes within the party like Rosie Duffield) who constantly ask stupid questions.

Why do they ask these "stupid questions", do you think? You sound like you can't possibly fathom why anyone would care? Clearly they do. Rosie Duffield simply doesn't subscribe to gender identity ideology, why would that make her a "transphobe"?

@LardyDee

Saying that voting is a moral choice is incredibly simplistic and actually not correct, really, given the entirely subjective nature of morality. There isn’t a “good” party and an “evil” party, despite what many posters here seem to think.

However I do totally take your point re the second part of the paragraph. I do think voting Conservative it’s pretty clear you’re helping those with more money, and pretending you don’t know otherwise is silly.

The vast majority of people will vote based on cost of living, economic opportunities, housing, healthcare etc.

Agree with this. Other issues are raised on MN which are important, but if people aren't able to heat their homes or eat properly and there is no sign of progress, people will vote for someone else.

I think Russell Brand pointed out that during COVID we had to save the elderly and disabled, stay indoors and make all these sacrifices to protect them, now the government are happy for them to freeze to death in their homes or not be able to afford to run essential medical equipment.

Shows you that everything they do and say is utter bullshit and us all about them.

This thread is peak mumsnet. Total lack of understanding that someone might have their own reasons for voting differently. I personally don’t care for the Green Party but I see that someone who feels fervently about compost might want to vote for them.

A thread for people to come and pat themselves on the back for being so wonderful and moral by voting labour, whilst demonising anyone who votes Conservative…it’s actually comical in its way. Aren’t the left so tolerant 😃

It is relevant when changes to smear testing age change occurred under Labour. It is relevant when they closed the local maternity services in my area meaning some people have an hours travel for emergency care when giving birth. They couldn't even access A n E if they were desperate as they shut all those too meaning the golden hour for stroke patients is non existent in my area.

Labour started the demolition of the NHS, Tories have continued it.

Waiting times have gone up for all health issues due to the pandemic

The point is that they are worse in gynaecology than anywhere else.

Labour were just the same

The Tories have been in power 12 years, so this is irrelevant.

[quote EthelTheAardvark]This demonstrates the reality of just how much the Conservatives care about women -
www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-60941950[/quote]
Misogyny in health care has always been an issue regardless of who is in power. This is nothing new. Waiting times have gone up for all health issues due to the pandemic but access to women's health has always been a challenge regardless of who is in the hot seat. Labour were just the same.

But the lack of any sort of help for less well off people makes me absolutely sick. And all decided by a multi millionaire.

This must be a joke. You voted Tory and are surprised that they don't help poor people and that it's a party of millionaires?

It doesn't really require an advanced understanding of politics to grasp a few utter basics, does it.

This would be like voting for UKIP but then feeling unhappy they the turned out to be a little bit hostile to the EU.

Even under Thatcher, the burden of taxation both as a proportion of GDP and in absolute terms actually rose. As usual with Tories though, taxes were shifted away from the rich to the poor.

Butteryflakycrust83 - thanks for the link. The one thing I particular wanted to see what they want is not there - tax rates, mansion taxes, property taxes, IHT, stamp duty - I cannot see anything about that on the link and as most people tend to vote based on tax and the pound in their pocket it is perhaps telling Labour does not mention it.

I’m delighted you’ve seen the light @Viviennemary. Please tell your friends.

I voted Tory because I thought they would waste less money on daft schemes

Did you not see how Boris Johnson wasted money on vanity schemes in London?.

That's a good point and I hadn't considered that.

It is a good point. I'd be interested to know if you think those people from BAME backgrounds with religious or cultural concerns about transwomen sharing women's spaces hate trans people and should be denounced as transphobic, or whether it's just white atheists who are demonstrating transphobia by not believing that TWAW.

This is an astoundingly good opportunity for Labour to state loudly, clearly and on platforms which engage a range of voters, exactly what they would do to get the UK through this crisis and out the other side. But they aren’t. And why they aren’t is mystifying. Are you now representative of the party view, that it isn’t their job to win voters around because the information is available online?