To be finished with voting Tory

Not this infantile crap again. Claiming a persons voting choice makes them stupid/immoral. How well has that been working out for Labour?

Tory does not = evil bastards who want all the poor to die
Labour does not = angels from heaven who will save all

I’d never be so stupid as to declare ‘I’d never vote for X’, as if it was some sort of badge of purity. I vote for who I fee will do the better job at the time.

Saying that, for years I did largely vote for Labour. Last election, and probably this one too, I will vote Tory.

This is mainly for two reasons.

1. Labour told me I was not welcome, and that I shouldn’t vote for them. Because they believe that a man can become a woman, and should be treated as one merely on their say so. Whether you agree or not on what issues that can cause, that much can be taken as a fact.

1. We are a disabled family. When the local Tory MP was voted in (usually a strong red wall area) he personally saw me and then helped me to organise for the tribunal to get my PIP decision overturned. I now have an indefinite high rate award. He has been very helpful and engaged in the community. My previous Labour MP, perhaps because they felt so safe, never offered to help and always just had someone send a generic reply to my letters.

I shouldn’t have to justify the ‘why’ of my vote, I certainly wouldn’t expect it from anyone else if they were voting for a different party. But I really hate the simplistic rhetoric decrying me as an evil rich villain who hates disabled, poor (myself?) people.

So am I to understand that the Labour Party doesn't want votes from an ex Tory voter? I'm assuming that's the case after reading some of the sneary responses on here. This always happens on here (and I assume elsewhere on the internet) and I'm fine with that. I'll find some other political party to put my cross against.

I have two good reasons not to vote Labour, despite being a semi floating voter - their stance on trans issues and their nastiness towards people who have previously voted Conservative. I think that the big difference between the parties. People who vote Tory can be nasty about the party itself and their politicians. Labour supporters are nasty about the actual Conservative voters. Certainly doesn't make us feel wanted or needed, so you just carry on doing what you're doing and I'll carry on ignoring your existence.

If a party won a GE with a turnout of ONE voter, that party would spin it as an "overwhelming win" that represents the "will of the British people"

Just as Boris did over Brexit, despite just 36% of the voting population supporting it.

I have never.

I don't agree the country has moved to the right. The current Tories have moved to the left and centre ground which is why they were elected - high spending, massive state, magic money tree discovered

You should look at the tory party's 2019 manifesto and compare to Le Pen's in France?
The nationalities bill going through the lords, sell off of media that asks hard questions of the Tories (or indeed any party)

Tax cuts for the wealthy, benefit cuts for the working poor, increasing wealth and educational divides and populism, always getting policies into law that appeal to the lowest common denominator... they have no moral compass, only one that points to where Power can be gained for themselves.

Racism and increasing the wealth divide characterise all Tory policies.

But what the Tories do is spend just enough to give the illusion they "care" and to stop the masses revolting (which is a good word to use, as thats exactly what they think of anyone who isn't extremely wealthy)

It’s a myth that the tories are good with the economy. They’ve spaffed billions up the wall on fraudulent COVID loans that they can’t be bothered to chase. They won’t put a tax on the oil companies to subsidize the energy price hike- ordinary people will rein in spending and all that eat out to help out and other initiatives to keep businesses alive will have been pointless.

They could have offered proper incentives for everyone to insulate homes and businesses, invested in the power grid, and built renewables infrastructure to make us less reliant on dodgy regimes for power but instead they cut the subsidies and made the planning system hostile.

They have done the square root of fuck all for our food security as you are starting to find out. Wait until shortages are more widespread. Utterly screwed over the NHS. Our roads are full of pot holes.

And don’t get me started on COVID. They are utterly fucking useless.

No positive vision, no leadership. High taxes for nothing. I feel as though we are moving towards being a developing world country instead of one of the richest in the world.

I will neved vote for any political party at any GE ever again. Over the years they have all proved themselves to be disingenuous. I plan to go to the polling station but spoil my ballot paper. Nothing offensive, somebody has to read it. I intend to crawl " All Liars" or something similar across my ballot paper.

Do people not realise that Boris will just say anything to be popular. Do you think he gives a shit about Trans rights? Or actually cares about the definition of a woman?

This. And how many U turns has this government made? Thatcher must be turning in her grave!

The gaslighting by the right wing media is scarily effective.

Do people not realise that Boris will just say anything to be popular. Do you think he gives a shit about Trans rights? Or actually cares about the definition of a woman?

There was a caller on James O'Brien's show on LBC last week who called to say he'd still support the Tories despite them having broken the law on Covid rules. He said they're far better than Labour. When asked to name a single Labour policy he was opposed to he couldn't. He regurgitated some bullshit he has read in the paper about Ploughman's Lunch (which was a joke by a pub owner, clearly nothing to do with Labour and let's remind ourselves, happened under a Tory government so if the government did have anything to do with it then surely blame the actual government rather than a hypothetical one)

Tory voters are being gaslit - and we are all suffering for it

I don't think the current Tories have deliberately moved to left - they were forced into those things by the pandemic. And they were forced into such wide support by challenges from the left.
They are desperate to move away from this ASAP and get back to the traditional approach of low support low state intervention etc. We're on our own with our utility bills etc.
They still made sure their mates got rich as part of providing the immense state response to covid to soften the blow of having the state propping up the economy!

I voted YABU but that's for ever voting for the lying gits in the first place.

I think you but just did that, and lets face it, its an accusation with a long history.

Labour people don't like Tories. That's not news, is it?

I don't agree the country has moved to the right. The current Tories have moved to the left and centre ground which is why they were elected - high spending, massive state, magic money tree discovered.

As for calling people" scum" is that allowed on Mumsnet? Would I be allowed to call Labour "scum" if Labour voters are allowed to call Tories "scum"?

People are incredibly forgiving of being lied to. What they care about is being cold and hungry, and feeling like they've been made a mug of. That does change their vote.

Fairweather tories are often proto socialists.They change their vote when they are affected, and want state support. But given that the Tories have a core vote that isn't affected, they won't change what they are doing because state spending is not what they do. Why would they spend or increase tax for this? If you've not enough money, that's because you haven't succeeded...

How anyone can vote Tory, and especially for Boris Johnson after all his lies have come to light, is beyond me.

So it does not matter how much the left think they are right - unless they can convince the middle ground voters to vote Labour they will not win

You’ve clearly not heard the old adage that opposition’s don’t win elections; governments lose them.

A lot of people who consider themselves "middle class" are about to find out otherwise. I remember "middle class" in the 1980s. It looked and was very different to what people think now and it was a small group of people. We are going back to that time.

I have a lot of reasons the Tories are best.

For those saying the less well off are neglected the minimum wage just went right up. The NI threshold is going up to over £12k. There have been measures to spread heating costs and council tax for those with houses in the lower bands. We have only 1m out of work compared with 3m when I graduated. Everythnig is not perfec (and I want a low spend small state Tory party and I definitely sadly do not currently have that but at least it is heaps better than Labour).

People may not agree with me but unless Labour pulls a rabbit out of the hate which convinces red wall voters to vote Labour in England they will lose yet again. So it does not matter how much the left think they are right - unless they can convince the middle ground voters to vote Labour they will not win.

Bet Daily Mail are gutted Harry and Megan fucked off to America. Tories have run out of diversions now Covid’s lower level news and Putin hasn’t launched a nuclear attack

They’ve still got Andrew.