To be finished with voting Tory

Do you prefer Labour’s self ID take?

I prefer a government that doesn’t lie, give vast quantities of taxpayers’ money to its mates, that doesn’t tax poor people to give the money to the rich, that cares about child poverty and cold pensioners. And those things matter more to me.

Yeah, because its not like Boris ever lies and just says what he needs to do to stay in power, is it?

And Keir is telling the truth when he says that he believes transwomen are women? The fact is it doesn’t matter whether either of them is lying or not.

One is completely for self-ID and repeating batshit slogans. The other is starting hard reverse on the gender ideology take over and has clearly spotted that pissing off 51% of the population is a stupid idea.

Like it or not, for some the next election will absolutely be decided on a single issue.

YANBU the current government is absolutely diabolical.

I’ve voted Tory in the past, but after the last ten years or so I don’t think I could do it again, not for a very long time at least.

It seems to me that the longer they stay in power, the more radical they become. Every decision has been a disaster, benefitting only themselves. Every scandal has been denied, every service has been squeezed.

I wasn’t a fan of Corbyn and in an ideal world I’d probably vote Libdem. But Starmer seems reasonable enough and Labour are the only party that really has any hope of throwing these clowns out, so I’ll be voting Labour this time around.

Oh God, he’s spouting more stuff he doesn’t believe to get the feminist vote, is he?

Completely agree @Butteryflakycrust83, the second it’s expedient he’ll do yet another U turn. I wouldn’t trust him as far as I could spit him.

I’ll vote for which ever party knows what a women is and wants to protect our sports and spaces so Tory I guess.

Cant wait for my NI hike he swore we would never get coming in this month.

@Blossomtoes

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What’s he said today@Alisae?

That male-bodied people (i.e. men) should not be allowed to participate in women's sports and that it is important to keep women's spaces female.

What’s he said today @Alisae?

Sorry, I can’t be arsed to go and look.

Well…have got to say that after Boris Johnson’s statement today, I am actually going to voting Tory! (Unless a miracle happens and Labour suddenly remember how to act like grownups instead of just repeating brainless mantras)

The Conservatives have always been quite clear on their values. The ‘nanny state’ is bad and left to their own devices everyone can make something of themselves without lots of state support. A dreamy vision which assumes everyone is starting out from the same place. It results in individualism over society and vast inequalities, eg better off people will go for private treatment where they can.

This underpins everything they do, and is why Covid was such an existential challenge. I also think Conservatives are more likely to be in it for the power for its own sake, someone like Sunak already has all the money he could ever need.

This is not new news though.

[quote Alexandra2001]@knittingaddict

ONE comment by Raynor, apologised for..... compared to the vitriol Diane Abbott gets from the press, from TV, from MPs and so called ordinary voters.
Jess Phillips with panic and police alarms, Raynor has received terrible abuse and threats.

Yes all women in Parliament get abuse but the vast majority of it heads Labours way.[/quote]
I'm not talking about Labour politicians, I'm talking about ordinary Labour voters on here. "Scum" is an example. Other nasty terms are available.

@knittingaddict

ONE comment by Raynor, apologised for..... compared to the vitriol Diane Abbott gets from the press, from TV, from MPs and so called ordinary voters.
Jess Phillips with panic and police alarms, Raynor has received terrible abuse and threats.

Yes all women in Parliament get abuse but the vast majority of it heads Labours way.

I'll be spoiling my ballot paper.
Yes, the Tories are liars and yes I agree that Boris Johnson would say anything to be popular. But at the other extreme we have Labour, who are no doubt also liars but don't appear to even be bright enough to say the right things to be popular - i.e. they seem to actively discourage people from voting for them, and persist with policies and views which clearly do not represent the will of their potential voters.

I voted Lib Dem in the last elections, as I Iive in the closest thing to a safe Lib Dem seat, with a popular and ostensibly likeable MP, but they don't know what a woman is either, so they aren't getting my vote.

@longwayoff of course you are not, interesting that you view a disabled person expressing an opinion as some sort of invitation to a ‘who is more disabled’ competition. If you happen to be ‘more’ disabled than me would that make your condescending comment ok, or you automatically have any kind of point?

I'm not entering into a 'how disabled are you'? contest so tell yourself what you like if it makes you happy.

@longwayoff does it feel good to be so condescending to a disabled person because of her voting choice? I hope the righteous rush of endorphins gets you through the morning.

Unless you’ve felt the terror of seeing one of the only streams of income you have being stopped, and having to cope with the shock of a PIP assessor blatantly lying about your extensively medically documented condition, then you can’t know the relief I felt at someone finally agreeing to help me.

So no, I won’t be voting out the only useful MP this area has ever had, just in case he might transform into a version of the previously useless one. Sorry to disappoint.

[quote Alexandra2001]@knittingaddict Plenty of Tory voters have a go at Labour voters, its not a one way street.

Someone i know who works very hard in the NHS, earns about £20k per year said "I work 40hrs per week to be poor & and Tory supporters are voting to make my life harder"

She was especially thinking of reintroduction of staff parking charges & no pay rise[/quote]
I'm sorry, but the vitriol and the "scum" comments about voters (rather than policies, politicians and party) only go one way.

@knittingaddict Plenty of Tory voters have a go at Labour voters, its not a one way street.

Someone i know who works very hard in the NHS, earns about £20k per year said "I work 40hrs per week to be poor & and Tory supporters are voting to make my life harder"

She was especially thinking of reintroduction of staff parking charges & no pay rise

Well hamsters your tory MP appears to have suspiciously socialist leanings and in a red wall seat too, what a surprise. Vote for them again and see where that gets you. Although you have my sympathy if, as 'a disabled family', you're expecting any lasting improvement. Good luck with that.

I'd rather stick pins in my eyes than vote tory, same as any other election really.

Never voted Tory in my life. Never will.