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To think I'm abusive?

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Amikraminot · 22/11/2020 19:41

My parents relationship wasn't exactly healthy-my dad was an arsehole, cheated all the time and my mum kept taking him back. She told me that all men just wanted sex and to save myself etc.

Then my first real relationship was with a nasty abuser. Lots of domestic abuse and violence and I was a shell of a woman. That was from mid teens to mid twenties. My parents were aware of some of it, but nothing was ever really said or done.

Next relationship was with a totally boring but very controlling man. He told me what to do, etc etc and I just did as I was told. Didn't last long.

Next relationship, chose a younger man. He was quite fiesty but I also was quite nasty to him. Told him I was messaging other men. Was a bit violent myself. I shouted, I threatened, I kept wondering if I was being abusive. We finished suddenly and totally lost all touch for reasons we couldn't control.

Onto my current relationship. Again, I've slipped into wondering if I am abusive. I shout a lot, put him down a lot, threaten etc him a lot. Yet I always feel hard done by and like I deserve better. He's no angel, he's hurt me physically, he's emotionally immature and not exactly wonderful.

All this probably makes me sound like I'm a right mess, but actually I have a boringly normal life. I'm in a well respected, professional career and no one would think there was anythibg wrong with life at all. I'm just questioning myself. And I think, there's no smoke without fire, right?

I literally look at my current partner and wonder if I need to leave him because he's abusive, or leave him because I'M abusive!

Basically, help!

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Teddybear27 · 22/11/2020 20:47

It’s interesting that you witnessed an abusive relationship when young and that is also what your relationships seem to be based on? Although it is great that you obviously recognise that and want to do something about this as it is not making you feel good.
I would definitely recommend leaving the abusive partner and getting yourself some decent therapy and yes, it does work. You will be able to talk about how you feel in a relationship, your parent’s relationship and where this anger may be coming from. Also, you may feel that you want to spend some time single to explore these feelings. Good luck...

TheRealHousewife · 22/11/2020 20:47

I say this with kindness but I seriously recommend that you access counselling services. Start with yourself, set some healthy boundaries and learn some healthy ways to assert yourself and settle disagreements. Flowers

Aquamarine1029 · 22/11/2020 20:41

Of course you can fix this, if you are committed to it and take absolute full responsibility for your behaviour. You will most likely need professional help to do so.

greyhills · 22/11/2020 20:40

@Amikraminot

I'm mentioning my boringly normal, professional career because I want to show how "normal" my day to day life is. How I feel within myself, how everyone else views me. Everything is fine apart from about 5% of the time where I'm just awful and can't pull myself back from it.

Can therapy really sort this out? I wasn't like this in my first 2 relationships, I was a wreck. Now it feels like this nasty person is actually me. How do I change me?

I think counselling would really help you, yes.

You grew up in a dysfunctional, and lets face it, abusive household. Since then, you have had three long term relationships where your dp has abused you, and you are now in another, which sounds volatile to say the least.

You have never seen or been part of a normal loving relationship, so it is no wonder you are struggling. Talking through everything with someone would be really beneficial. Also, I've never referred to it myself, but there is something called The Freedom Programme which is often mentioned on MN. Maybe look into that?

Amikraminot · 22/11/2020 20:40

@2020iscancelled I think that's what it is- you get into that stage where the name calling etc is normal. I think that's where we've got. Thank you for sharing that experience, and the fact that you've since managed to have a healthy relationship. My relationship sounds a lot like your previous relationship. You've given me hope, thank you

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flaviaritt · 22/11/2020 20:40

Well, what triggers it?

Amikraminot · 22/11/2020 20:36

I'm not saying poor old me, or that it's not my fault. I'm literally asking what the hell is going on, why this is happening and if I can fix this.

Sorry to all the people who have been in abusive relationships and find this triggering, but I have been in abusive relationships too and also get triggered.

Im not excusing my behaviour, I'm asking for help. Fundamentally I'm a good person, I know this. I have high self esteem, despite being highly aware of my shitty behaviour. I'm literally just trying to move forward

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Lollypop701 · 22/11/2020 20:36

Do you actually love him op? You don’t seem perturbed that people are saying leave him. If you want to work in this relationship get couples counselling. Or leave and get yourself sorted. You recognise this isn’t right and you want to change... the first steps are always the hardest but you’re hopefully on your way

2020iscancelled · 22/11/2020 20:32

Yes your behaviour does sound abusive to be honest.

I was in a relationship where we fell into really toxic behaviour, some physical violence but mostly emotional manipulation and nasty name calling etc.

That relationship ended and I’ve never ever experienced anything like that again, I’ve never treated another partner that way and I’ve had a couple of very loving and respectful relationships since and now in a committed, loving, respectful relationship where I wouldn’t ever ever act that way and would be mortified and heartbroken if DP did that to me.... I’m saying this because demonstrating a certain behaviour in a relationship doesn’t necessarily mean you are that person forever. Me and my ex were very young and quite damaged individually- we were completely wrong for each other and was an explosive combination.

In your case you are repeating behaviour which says to me that you have issues that you need to resolve within yourself before you can understand and control your anger or need to control / manipulate etc.

My advice to a friend would be to leave and get some counselling and really do the work. Work on your demons and settle them before embarking on another relationship.

Bluetrews25 · 22/11/2020 20:32

Sounds like you are doing the 'attack is the best form of defence' thing.
I can see how this happened.

Youarenothere · 22/11/2020 20:32

Relationships are complicated, different people bring out different aspects of your character, if you don’t like who you are when you’re with someone, they’re probably not right for you. Sounds like you’ve got no experience of healthy relationships and figuring this stuff out alone, with no models to base it on is really really hard. You can definitely change anything about yourself and your behaviour but you will need help. Best of luck, questioning your own behaviour is a great step forward.

TonMoulin · 22/11/2020 20:29

In your first two relationship you let someone walk all over you.

I don’t think you have become an awful person from the nice one you were before.
I think you’ve decided to not get walked over anymore and have developped unhealthy ways to do it. Also, probably because you’ve never learnt how to be assertive wo being a bully.

AnneLovesGilbert · 22/11/2020 20:28

If you really believe “you can’t help it” you have no business being in a relationship and should walk away from this one immediately. Can’t help it? Yeah, heard that one before myself Hmm

Pukkatea · 22/11/2020 20:28

You are aware you have an issue which means therapy can help you make positive changes.

TonMoulin · 22/11/2020 20:25

Maybe you are abusive.
Or maybe you are answering in an aggressive way to an abusive partner/a twat.

If a woman was becoming physically violent in response to being physically attacked, no one would say she is violent and dangerous/physically threatening.

I find it impossible to say if it’s one or the other from your posts.

However, I think you would benefit from counselling and leaving the relationship

Amikraminot · 22/11/2020 20:24

I don't want to believe its not my fault or whatever.

I just don't know how I can have gone from someone who literally couldn't say boo to a goose, to being someone who is proper nasty to a partner when he does something I don't like. I know he isn't perfect, he's probably quite abusive himself. But rather than be a victim, I've almost turned into an abuser myself, so it's like there are two abusers and no victims, if that makes sense.

Just to add, when I say violence, it's not punching and seriously harming, it's pushing around and very shouty. Not meaning to undermine that kind of behaviour because I know it isn't right. But it's just the kind of aggression that I know isn't healthy.

Thank you for not judging me or making me feel even more shit than I already do!

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Rollingpiglet · 22/11/2020 20:22

If he's hurt you physically, and you threaten him and put him down you are both at fault, and it sounds like the whole dynamic is toxic. End the relationship and do some serious work on yourself before you get involved with someone else. You need to break the cycle before history repeats itself yet again.

PrincessNutNut · 22/11/2020 20:17

I'm mentioning my boringly normal, professional career because I want to show how "normal" my day to day life is. How I feel within myself, how everyone else views me.

I'm sure I'm not the only one reading with experience of this kind of abuser. In fact, he thought having such a steady and normal professional life was evidence that he wasn't abusive because he clearly wasn't anything out of the ordinary. He also thought felt "hard done by" and as though he "deserved better".

Therapy can work if you do genuinely want it to and if you're therefore prepared to put the work in yourself too.

It's hard and will take a lifetime of active unlearning. Don't fall into the trap of not truly believing you're abusive and going only to be told it's not your fault and it's not that bad and all the rest of it. Take it seriously and don't allow anyone to become dependent on you until you really do know you've beaten it.

lazylinguist · 22/11/2020 20:12

I'm not excusing your violent or abusive behaviour, but presumably what led to it was your experience of your parents' relationship and then your early abusive relationships. I don't know if therapy would sort it out, but surely it's worth a try? If you don't go down the therapy route you should at the very least split up with your partner and consider staying single. It's clear that you are not able to choose appropriate partners or function normally in a relationship.

formerbabe · 22/11/2020 19:55

Was a bit violent myself

What does this mean?

You talk about violence in relationships in a really casual way. I've had lots of relationships and there's never been any violence.. even when there's been huge arguments, there's never been any physical threats either way. Your relationships sound completely toxic and I think your past means you've normalised violence.

Amikraminot · 22/11/2020 19:54

I'm mentioning my boringly normal, professional career because I want to show how "normal" my day to day life is. How I feel within myself, how everyone else views me. Everything is fine apart from about 5% of the time where I'm just awful and can't pull myself back from it.

Can therapy really sort this out? I wasn't like this in my first 2 relationships, I was a wreck. Now it feels like this nasty person is actually me. How do I change me?

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GettingUntrapped · 22/11/2020 19:53

It is very insightful of you to question your relationships and ask these questions. Sounds like you are trying to move beyond your circumstances and your past. Life is hard. Wishing you well.

bloodywhitecat · 22/11/2020 19:52

You are both abusive and one of you needs to leave the other partner. I hope you can both get the help you need.

Aquamarine1029 · 22/11/2020 19:51

Yes, you are abusive, and I don't think you should be in a relationship, honestly. Not until you get professional help to get to the root and learn to stop all of your abusive and violent behaviours.

FourTeaFallOut · 22/11/2020 19:50

You've recognised that this is an abusive relationship and apportioning the right amount of blame isn't going to fix this - you just need to leave. This isn't a healthy relationship.

When the dust has settled you need to seek help to draw healthy boundaries in a relationship and recognise when they have failed.

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