Mmr and links to austim

you can see my worry as a mother,

We can’t really. BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT! There are SO many things you have to worry about as a parent - why, oh why are you giving head-space to something which has been completely and utterly discredited?

20 years ago this was written.

20 YEARS.

That is 20 years of actively looking for a link and not finding one.

Why do people still give this shit brain space?

This stupid thread still going? Has the op had their goad and left? Does the op have their DM story now?

There is no link. That has been categorically researched and debunked. My son has autism and he had mmr. He did have a regression around the time of vaccines but looking back there were subtle signs of autism before that. My mum said from about 4/5 months old that there was something different about him.

Op Still did not come back.

Surprise.

Oh and I forgot to add his autism wasn't diagnosed until he was 12.

My Ds2 had fits at three weeks old. We didn't have the MMR at the time as the GP couldn't guarantee 100 percent that he wouldn't fit again after the jabs.
He eventually had the MMR at 15 because there was a huge Measles epidemic where he lives and I didn't want him getting it.

Btw their paediatrician delayed dd2's mmr to 2 just in case because dd1 was diagnosed with autism at 2.5 just as mmr was coming up for dd2, his decision not mine, but this was the early 00's and he felt caution was warranted. (In USA)

No link to mmr but there is a major genetic component plus those with siblings already diagnosed are more likely to access specialists for early diagnosis. Dd1 is autistic, there's no doubt so is dh, but high functioning autism wasn't recognised when we were young (and why bother going through diagnosis when there's no "cure" anyway). We have 3 friends from university with autistic kids, when you think about their dads (really good friends) they are socially awkward and again like dh probably on the spectrum.

Of course I will never know but dd was not making sounds (other than crying) pre mmr either, in fact she was 4 before she bothered to speak more than yelling one word at us - but spoke in sentences within a few weeks of linking first words, and could already read fluently we discovered.

Please try not to worry, but of a rollercoaster but she's at university now!

The link to MMR came along initially because symptoms were first noticed about the age children had the injection. That is nothing to do with the injection and more to do with development norms and a child failing to reach them in some way.
There is a definite genetic link but that is more likely to be a predisposition than an actual cause.

Marie Stopes (along with Winston Churchill) was a eugenecist who anted to prevent people with certain characteristics reproducing. She was most definitely not a supporter of women’s rights - although unintentionally improved the lives of many women. She wanted to restrict breeding by certain groups to improve the societal gene pool.

Whilst many disabled people add much to society individually and a community that supports and cares for its disabled members has to be a better place for all, there are few who would actively seek to have a disabled child. Not vaccinating presents a risk of consciously increasing the risk of severe disability or death (albeit a relatively small risk) that is far higher than the risk of a reaction to the vaccination.

I did a lot and of research into this before choosing to give my children the MMR about 8 years ago. My father has asd and I was worried the MMR would trigger it in my children. From memory, most vaccines include a heavy metal to help trigger an immune response. There is a school of thought that some children have trouble getting the heavy metal out of the system and it’s this which can trigger the autism. BUT my research also showed that the original MMR had a certain heavy metal, and then after there was a lot of concern about it triggering autism, they changed the heavy metal to a different heavy metal and I think the cases declined.
I did give my children the MMR - but I just chose to give them the MMR by itself (I think at the time the nurse wanted to give a few other vaccines at the same time.)
My son does have asd - but his eye contact was non existent before the MMR and I don’t believe it was linked to this.
I have recently being doing a brushing technique on my son (as guided by a therapist) as it’s believed his infant reflexes did not go dormant. His eye contact is now normal - although he still has other asd traits such as being literal.
Good luck with your baby x

I'm 48 and autistic and I can safely say that I never had the MMR.

Andrew Wakefield is an utter disgrace and is responsible for god knows how many deaths in the future as the Americans in particular are paranoid about vaccines and autism. Anyone fancy a bit of polio returning to the west?

The anti vaxxers will crush people underfoot in the rush to get their little darlings to the vaccination clinic then.

Wikipedia:

“it is just as much the aim of Constructive Birth Control to secure conception to those married people who are healthy, childless, and desire children, as it is to furnish security from conception to those who are racially diseased, already overburdened with children, or in any specific way unfitted for parenthood."[68] Stopes advocated the compulsory sterilisation of those she considered unfit for parenthood in 1918 and in 1921.

Urgh.

Sorry, contraception services not abortion services.

Marie Stopes: she was pro-eugenics, that’s what drove her to provide abortion services for the great unwashed. Stop the plebs and degenerates outbreeding the naice people. It was something a lot of Victorians worried about.

No. Autism has a genetic link. We just don't know exactly what genes are responsible yet.

howdovaccinescauseautism.com/

It beggars belief that people still think that vaccines cause autism. I just don't understand why it's preferable to risk your child dying by not vaccinating than the imaginary link to autism, and also just how incredibly offensive that is. You'd much rather your child die than get autism (if there was a link that is)

Vaccines have to be the most researched medical treatments in the world ever. And I know that people post articles that look legit, and memes about the ingredients within vaccines which are often wrong and also out of date.

I saw a brilliant takedown of one the anti vax memes where the person walked through ingredient by ingredient and explained what they did. He backed up everything with peer reviewed research. And even then people were saying that their neighbours, sisters, cousins kid got autism from a vaccine this was with a comprehensive analysis of the ingredients.

He also explained how the vaccine damage compensation fund worked and how most of the claims (I believe over 90%) were for things like a sore arm or getting a minor cold after a vaccine.

Currently herd immunity is keeping these diseases in check with regards to severity and the number of cases, but that won't last forever.

I hear that iron lungs have gotten a little fancier since the 50s, so there's a plus

There is no link. Countless peer reviewed studies consistently demonstrate no association between MMR and autism. There is no link. Please vaccinate your children.

There is 100% no link. No vaccines no school. No vaccines no access to the NHS. If you want to be part of a cult you should NOT have access to civilised society. Lets part ways.

Marie stopes advocated aborting children with autism gilead Doubt it, there is no way of testing for asd inutero.

No. It was a study that was purposely conducted in order to link the two and it has now been disproved and the dr has lost his license.

If you have three children with autism, then it is likely that your fourth will have it, vaccines or not.

I know several children with autism who haven't been given the MMR and several without autism who have been given the MMR.

Autism is neurological. It cannot be caused a vaccine.

Marie stopes advocated aborting children with autism gilead ?

This makes even less sense. If your child already has autism, why would you not vaccinate them? Does she think he will get more autistic? 

Yeah probably . Some children who have autism do seem to react particularly sensitively to things (not just vaccines, food, medication etc) - and can regress.

But yet... not all children with autism do. So there's more to it than a child having autism...

Sorry no idea what happened with the rogue bolding in my very long post 😳😳