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Mmr and links to austim

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Michelle38wales · 03/11/2018 12:37

Do you think there’s a link with mmr and austim, I’ve already 3 children with austim so not sure about my baby having it

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AdoraBell · 03/11/2018 13:20

No. In my DH’s family there are 3 diagnosed with ADD/dyspraxia and at least three more who would probably diagnosed but do not want to be assessed. The youngest of these is mid thirties. I cannot remember exactly when MMR was introduced as a vaccine but I do know that none of the ILs have had it.

My two DC had MMR vaccine and neither of them have been badly affected by it. One shows very mild traits that are exactly like her DGM. I am 100% certain that is not related to MMR vaccine, particularly as MIL did not have that vaccine.

As others have said, Andrew Wakefield should be in prison for the damage that he has caused, and continues to cause by peddling his lies in other countries.

thenightsky · 03/11/2018 13:17

OP... are you asking because of this which is doing the rounds on facebook at the moment ?

Maelstrop · 03/11/2018 13:15

Yabvvu to even bring this up. Ridiculous. Please read the studies linked and educate yourself before posting such a goady thread.

ModreB · 03/11/2018 13:14

I don't think there's a link between MMR and ASD, but I do think that ASD is genetic.

Tahani · 03/11/2018 13:13

Andrew Wakefield should be in prison.

Agreed

GabsAlot · 03/11/2018 13:09

no course not

its more likely genetics than anything else

elliejjtiny · 03/11/2018 13:09

Get the vaccine.

My dh has autism and didn't have the vaccine
My ds1 and ds5 have autism and were showing symptoms before the mmr.

There are risks with vaccines as nothing is risk free but the risks of complications from having measles, mumps and rubella are significantly higher.

FFSFFSFFS · 03/11/2018 13:07

No.

But there is a genetic link.

Sirzy · 03/11/2018 13:06

I don’t believe their is any link.

But even if there was the choice between a child dying or a preventable disease or the risk of autism? No brainer isn’t it (and I say that as the Mum of an autistic child)

RedLightAll · 03/11/2018 13:04

Anecdotally, I am noticing a big decline in uptake of vaccinations at the moment in the circles I mix in (or rather, the circles I might have been mixing in - it really does put me off).
It's depressing for sure.

PickAChew · 03/11/2018 13:04

No, and measles is more than a bit of a rash.

PiperPublickOccurrences · 03/11/2018 13:04

No there's not.

IntoTheDeep · 03/11/2018 13:03

No, I don’t think there’s a link.

I think it’s far more likely to be genetics, given you have 3 DC with autism.
When DS1 was diagnosed with autism, his paediatrician offered him a genetics test, and advised us that any other children we might have would have an increased chance of having ASD, because of possible genetic links.

Lovemusic33 · 03/11/2018 13:03

I’m too scared to post my views on here. My dd had a severe reaction to the MMR and ended up in hospital. Both my dd’s are vaccinated.

I beleive Autism can be caused by many things, I also beleive that it’s often genetic (but not always), most are born with it but not all.

im not going to say anymore as I will likely be flamed.

OP, this isn’t the best place to discuss not vaccinating your child.

EdWinchester · 03/11/2018 13:03

No because there isn’t and never was.

I can’t believe some people even still think this.

Spikeyball · 03/11/2018 13:03

There is no link. Typically developing children begin to show obvious development of joint attention around the time of the mmr vaccine whereas that may not happen with children with asc.
So it might look like the vaccine caused it but it was just that the different developmental path has become more obvious.

maras2 · 03/11/2018 13:00

Andrew Wakefield should be in prison. Angry

greenlynx · 03/11/2018 12:54

I don’t believe there is a link. I think that different issues associated with autism just become noticeable around certain age and that’s coincidentally around the age of MMR vaccination.

hipposarerad · 03/11/2018 12:54

To clarify, when I say I wonder about myself I mean I wonder if I might have autism too - or I think I could have a fair few traits.

mummabubs · 03/11/2018 12:53

Categorically not. As others have pointed out "Dr" Andrew Wakefield, the man who fabricated data and based his theory on anecdote then presented it as fact, was stripped of his medical licence in the UK and struck off. His lies have done so much damage.

My boy had his MMR vaccine on Tuesday and is now in hospital with a raging fever and suspected sepsis, but I'd still vaccinate future children as from evidence I truly believe it to be a safe vaccine and the benefits far outweigh the small risk of reactions such as the one my son has now.

hipposarerad · 03/11/2018 12:51

Nope. My DS2 showed signs of being very 'different' when he was still a baby (virtually no eye contact during breastfeeding, plus other subtle signs), so before he had his MMR. So did my DS1 but as I was a first time mum my concerns were brushed off - he is now finally diagnosed (he is 10).

Also, my late father, who was born in 1946 so definitely pre-MMR, was a textbook case of undiagnosed autism. I've been wondering quite a lot about myself too - I was born in 1977 and I don't think MMR was offered because I got measles when I was 2 and my mother thought I was going to die (I don't think I was that bad, wasn't hospitalised or anything like that I just think she was very scared to see her toddler so poorly).

My humble opinion is that some families are just a bit 'autisticy', I know mine seems to be.

SinkGirl · 03/11/2018 12:48

No I don’t believe there’s any link, it has been thoroughly debunked. My twins are 2 - one has lots of issues and is being tested for genetic conditions but if that’s clear I think they’ll diagnose ASD. The other twin is also showing some signs of ASD.

The first had a big regression over the course of a couple of days at 18 months old and he’s never gotten those skills back. That’s six months after MMR, I can’t see how it could possibly be connected.

Chouetted · 03/11/2018 12:47

I'm autistic and didn't have the mmr. My dad is autistic and didn't have the mmr. My grandad was probably also autistic, and he didn't have the mmr either.

It's genetic. And sounds very likely to be genetic for you if you already have three kids with autism.

Karmin · 03/11/2018 12:46

Dr Wakefield, who published the link between the MMR and Autism to be given as single injections had filed for a patent for a single-antigen measles vaccine in 1997 and so would seem to have a potential financial interest in promoting this view.

Over the next twelve years, the possibility of a link between MMR and autism was studied exhaustively. No reputable, relevant study confirmed Wakefield’s findings; instead, many well-designed studies have found no link between MMR and bowel disease or MMR and autism. In 2004, then-editor Dr. Richard Horton of the Lancet wrote that Wakefield should had revealed to the journal that he had been paid by attorneys seeking to file lawsuits against vaccine manufacturers. In television interviews, Horton claimed that Wakefield’s research was “fatally flawed.” Most of the co-authors of the study retracted the interpretation in the paper. in May 2010, Britain’s General Medical Council banned Wakefield from practicing medicine in Britain, stating that he had shown “callous disregard” for children in the course of his research. The council also cited previously uncovered information about the extent to which Wakefield’s research was funded by lawyers hoping to sue vaccine manufacturers on behalf of parents of children with autism.

Most scientific and medical experts are satisfied that no connection exists between vaccines and autism and other neurodevelopmental disorders. Still, critics continue to question the issue. Not only do they question the relationship between MMR and thimerosal and autism, they bring up further culprits they believe might play a role in development of autism. Researchers continue to examine these questions, but there is no evidence that these factors play a role in autism development. Most autism researchers hold that the causes of autism are many and include genetic and environmental factors, but do not involve vaccines.

Source with research links

PurpleDaisies · 03/11/2018 12:45

No, and it’s depressing that this question is still being asked.

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