Mmr and links to austim

I am curious as to how many subjects were in this study you did? Must have been a decent amount to come to this conclusion?

@Chloejasmine02 YABU. Neurodiversity is mostly genetic, sometimes following brain injury, some chromosomal (again usually genetic component). None vaccine related.

I've found the 'plandemic' bunch can't let go of the attention they got during COVID times so go around banging the drum when they need a boost.

No he is not

Why are you raising a 4 year old thread???

The evidence that MMR isn't a cause of autism is much stronger than the evidence for the safety of (say) cornflakes or bacon sandwiches or pizza. Why does nobody start threads asking whether anyone is worried about giving their child pizza?

They are mostly thriving because they aren't exposed to the diseases, because most other children have been vaccinated.

If vaccination rates go down, then illness will go up. As has already happened in some places.

No. This was suggested in a very flawed study by a doctor. Andrew Wakefield, who was later struck off for multiple dishonest practices, including a failure to declare conflicts of interest (he had a patent on a rival single measles vaccine; he was funded for the study by a firm of lawyers helping parents to sue the vaccine manufacturers). There have been studies since, which show no link. For example, the MMR vaccine was withdrawn for a few years in Japan and then reintroduced. There were no effects on autism rates,

Why has this idiotic ZOMBIE thread been resurrected?

No link.

Nothing has been put on here since 2018. Any updates on getting single mmr Vaccines here in UK?

Greathat- PurpleDaisies has put a link to BBC report.

Now I think about it though I think I did use the MenB before it was lisenced for all children in the U.K. I think it was approved in special cases prior...

About 6 months after I used it, it was on the NHS schedule but my child missed the age group it was rolled out to.

I remember us having a chat about it, it certainly wasn't something he didn't inform me about before I chose to use it.

The vaccines were the same as the ones the NHS had ffs  no dubious safety issues with offering them

No I'm not ... I just really like the doctor who converted me from being an anti vaxxer. I also don't think there's anything wrong with seeing a gap in the market when you're a business...

There's several people I know who would still be anti vaxxers without him.

And the vaccines weren't horrendous prices, yes they were expensive compared to free but I certainly wasn't told to have any more doses than necessary to complete a course. I wasn't bullied in any way... he took the time and is able not to talk to you like you're stupid even if he might have thought privately I was barmy initially

I'd rather people were vaccinating than being backwards snobbish about those who choose to pay to have access to what a few months prior the NHS would have been prescribing to them

Wow, you’re determined to miss the point.

I have no problem with people using private healthcare. Heck, I have private healthcare myself and use it where I can, to free up resource within the NHS.

What I have a problem with is private healthcare providers playing on fears of people and creating their own market by saying “hey, you know that thing that’s not really a problem? Come and pay us to solve that not problem at 50 quid a shot (oh and by the way you need 6 of them)”. And did it with a vaccine unlicensed in the U.K. They pretended they were part of a solution instead of being decent doctors and joining the voices who were speaking out against Wakefield. That’s the problem.

Sparking

I found the same thing... it pushed me to the antivax nonsense initially because they were the ones willing to listen and explain and talk and on the face of it seemed more informed

My NHS GP was talking about Wakefield and autism when I was talking about the first set of jabs... just seemed like she was parroting a party line and not listening to the question

But the NHS is stretched and a ten minute appointment I don't think can do much to counteract fears

I really do think it would improve vaccination rates if those who had concerns weren't rolled eyes at and told about Wakefield... for me that's what it took, a medical professional really listening, discussing it, and then counteracting my fears with actual research. His 30 minutes and several emails... got me to vaccinate

Her 2 minute roll eye and moan about Wakefield... stopped me from vaccinating to begin with

I don't really know how it can be sorted in a stretched NHS but I do think some HCPs aren't helping things with their reactions to concerned new parents

Thanks @CuriousaboutSamphire. I will take a look at that. She's 9 now and she had the MMR. I just remember being v. frustrated about not being able to have a proper chat with the HV.

This thread has comments about two issues

We are saying there is no link between MMR and autism not that no child reacts to vaccines

A tiny minority of children do have severe adverse reactions to vaccinations. And this is devastating. But statistically the risks associated with being unvaccinated exceed the risks associated with vaccines

Does that clarify why there is a fund? @TheTroublesomestTribble

I would really like to be pro-vaccine, my DCs are vaccinated.

I do wonder, however, why the government has set up a scheme to compensate vaccine-damaged individuals if there is really no evidence that vaccines have the potential to cause damage?