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To have been AGHAST at this comment?

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FriedEggyAndSlippery · 23/04/2011 00:34

at a group interview/skills assessment thing last week.

Girl (19ish?) tells lady her surname and lady says "oh, that's an unusual name are you related to [celebrity with same name]?"

Girl says "no, lucky eh, he's gay, wouldn't it be awful having a gay in the family? How embarrassing"

Shock

I don't know why I am posting in AIBU actually as surely nobody in their right mind would think that comment was ok?

I mean this isn't like that thread last year where someone was 'aghast' at someone stubbing out a cigarette on a tree :o anyone else remember that one?

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nethunsreject · 23/04/2011 10:13

Yanbu. Unfortunately there are still loads of bigotted people around.

FriedEggyAndSlippery · 23/04/2011 10:10

"YABU to not realise some people think like that, but YANBU to be aghast that she was stupid enough to air that view in that situation."

Yes I agree with that. Of course I do know that loads of people have that opinion, just like there are loads of racist people... And it all sucks. But what made me aghast is that she thought it was a reasonable thing to say especially in a semi formal situation.

Re the recruitment process some people mentioned - she was only there for a skills test as she already has a new job (this was at a college, they help find people apprenticeships etc) - so maybe she wasn't watching what she said as much as she would if it had been an interview.

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Fontsnob · 23/04/2011 09:28

Hee Hee, I remember the tree incident too. I seem to remember that it descended into tree anatomy based jokes rather quickely.

kickingking · 23/04/2011 08:45

Oh dear. However, I don't find it that suprising.

Several years ago, when the series of Big Brother with Pete who had Tourette's was on, we had several parents at the school where I worked diagnosing their children with Tourette's Grin.

The staff were laughing about this, and someone said "Maybe they'll think their kids are gay as well because there are gay people on BB too" (Obviously this was all meant to be lightheated) and one member of staff said "I'd rather any child of mine had Tourette's than was GAY!" Shock This was someone who worked with vulnerable children and young people...

Shakirasma · 23/04/2011 08:35

YABU to not realise some people think like that, but YANBU to be aghast that she was stupid enough to air that view in that situation.

Sadly she is not alone in being young and ignorant. My best friend is gay and has consistently found that that age group is the worst for intolerance. I was surprised when she told me that but I have witnessed it myself since. Maybe due to naivety, immaturity, insecurity etc?

feistychickfightingthebull · 23/04/2011 08:22

Yanbu, and yes I do remember that thread about the cigarette - it was bloody hilarious. You are certainly right to be aghast at such ignorance

lesley33 · 23/04/2011 08:20

YABU not to realise lots of people feel like this still. We tend to select friends who think thesame as us so it can be easy to think 1 view is the common one. I am gay so most of my friends are - but I know from prejudice that many people still think this way.

As a small business manager I would not have challenged her. I would have decided that there was no way she was going further in the HR process. Apart from anything else, she should at least have realised that in a recruitment, it is inappropriate to make any controversial remarks like this. But i wouldn't have challenged her as I would have been worried that she would realise why she had not gone further and challenged it - posiible legally.

pootros · 23/04/2011 08:18

It's quite odd to find it in a young person . there are so many older people who just drop racist comments/ metaphors without realising that they can cause offense. Or is that ageist for me to say that? I think I am sometimes prettyist/ skinnyist.
But then I heard on radio4 that women applying for jobs who put their photos on CVs are less likely to get the interview, as opposed to men of the same age who put their photos on. And the researchers thought it was because lots of the admin staff were young women!

BunnyWunny · 23/04/2011 08:15

Maybe she was being ironic?

Gooseberrybushes · 23/04/2011 08:10

Aghast -- goodness you must live on the moon.

CheshireDing · 23/04/2011 08:08

I think/hope she is just immature and one day she was realise what a jerk she was. Although I really would have wanted to say something to her too in front of everyone else.

I had a Manmaid and a Bridesmaid at my wedding and afterwards MIL said "he's gay isn't he, it's a shame". On that occasion I could not even be bothered to answer her.

By the same token my Gran (who is 80) was definitely born in the wrong generation and loves my Manmaid the same as everyone else.

FoofffyShmoofffer · 23/04/2011 06:55

YANBU at all.

and I love "aghast". It is much underused.

TeddyBare · 23/04/2011 06:46

YANBU. I like to think I would have said something but in those situations it's so difficult.

MikeOxstiff - I don't think it's about the OP expecting everyone to share all of her opinions, it's just that this is such an offensive and prejudice view that it is reasonable to expect people not to hold it (hence anti-discrimination laws). If someone made approving comments about slavery or nazism I would expect people to be shocked and offended by it too, this is the same. There are some opinions which are so offensive to the majority of society that if you believe them you should probably be quiet about it.

MikeOxstiff · 23/04/2011 06:25

Firstly AGHAST is a good word and I will be using it more
but YABU why should everybody have the same opinion as you?

Have you got one of those gagging orders on you or can you tell us the name?

onceamai · 23/04/2011 06:16

I suspect the girl was incredibly nervous and blurted out something incredibly foolish. Actually as someone with an incredibly unusual surname it never ceases to amaze me that people have continually to comment upon it and never seem to realise how tiresome such comments are.

Gemsy83 · 23/04/2011 06:15

What an idiot- can you make a complaint to whoever was hosting the key skills assesment and make sure it is followed up where she works in line with their equality policy?

hairfullofsnakes · 23/04/2011 05:17

Like others have said, unfortunately there are people who think like this. What a terribly ignorant and stupid young woman is what I think and I am glad she is not one of my family. Hopefully one day she will grow up and cringe at such a stupid comment.

MoistTowelette · 23/04/2011 04:40

Personally, can't believe there are people like this still out there...so so sad

ll31 · 23/04/2011 01:44

i would think that for interview situation you would think that people would be very careful about what they said.. but genuinely I dont' think people in general - say overall majority - are very un homephobic..

I think we should have thread on people's attitudes, ignoring political correctness, ignoring everything. it would benice to see what people thought.. say if you thought about what you would or would not be happy for your children to be.. anyway I think instructor should have challenged her... but I do think.. it displays a certain naivety on her part in saying what she di...

FriedEggyAndSlippery · 23/04/2011 01:36

It isn't? Shock

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bleedingstill · 23/04/2011 01:34

Yes good point II31 . Mumsnet is not an accurate representation of world views

ll31 · 23/04/2011 01:30

would most people tho be disgusted at homophobic comment or not? I dont' kow... I hope they would but I dont know

bleedingstill · 23/04/2011 01:00

The shocking aspect, as you expressed, is that people like this young girl do not even realise that her view is considered shocking by many (most? please tell me it's most `). How can you live in 21st century Britain and not realise that homophobic views would attract criticism?

FriedEggyAndSlippery · 23/04/2011 00:56

Wise words bleedingstill - I guess I am quite sheltered in that respect. I live in a very unprejudiced family (my dad says the only thing he doesn't tolerate is intolerance - a rather sickly cliche but a good motto)

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